I like the idea of her sole contribution to the recorded catalogue being 'Emma'. Which has three notes if memory serves.
And I always used to play Lucretia with an 8th rest after the E (though I acknowledge it's not there on the recording).
Lucretia's bassline
I've found not exactly that interview but some most similar reference in UTR 5, Page 6 in the Photo Gallery ... see the middle column ...stufarq wrote:It would be nice to although it didn't say much that's relevant to this thread. Most of it was about why he chose to work with the guy from Sigue Sigue Sputnik.Being645 wrote:Perhaps one can find that interview somewhere ...
quite an interesting article, btw, which starts two pages before ... mostly concerning the state of affairs around Bruhn's departure ...
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Jackpot! Eldritch does say that Patricia didn't play on Floodland and couldn't play very well and, according to him, she did claim a co-writer's credit. We may never know the truth but at least the various claims seem to be cleared up (unless Patricia counters that she didn't claim a writing credit).
The whole interview's pretty fascinating really. Intreresting that, a couple of years after the Q interview in which Eldritch said he couldn't talk about the court case, he's now giving precise details about who's been accused of what.
Andreas's side of the story is interesting too - and, as the interviewer says, somewhat familiar. Shame there isn't an interview with Tim too as it might have given the middle ground. But a very interesting insight into the band's internal politics. Thatnks for unearthing that, Being645.
The whole interview's pretty fascinating really. Intreresting that, a couple of years after the Q interview in which Eldritch said he couldn't talk about the court case, he's now giving precise details about who's been accused of what.
Andreas's side of the story is interesting too - and, as the interviewer says, somewhat familiar. Shame there isn't an interview with Tim too as it might have given the middle ground. But a very interesting insight into the band's internal politics. Thatnks for unearthing that, Being645.
Any more of that and we'll be round your front door with the quick-setting whitewash and the shaved monkey.
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Hm. I spoke to Patricia in early '93 at what I think was CNN's debut concert, where Tim Bricheno was playing. She was real nice, gave me a quick kiss when I was cheeky enough to ask for one, but when I asked her what the deal was with the suing business, she was pretty adamant she was due major props for Floodland on grounds of co-writing. Didn't mention what exactly co-writing involved - I remember I was pretty taken in by her though and it didn't even occur to me that Von wasn't being a dick about the whole thing. Lately I've come round to Von's side of the whole thing now, his statements seem a little more coherent. Be great to see those two do an actual live set together, especially maybe covering some Damned material. Burying the hatchet's not exactly Von's thing though, is it? Thank f**k he was never put in charge of the South African Truth and Reconciliation Commission...Sita wrote:Thanks for finding that! It was an interesting read. I'm sure his version is true. People are like that, they try to get their piece of the cake.
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...unless he's burying it in someone's skull!Machine Regime wrote:Burying the hatchet's not exactly Von's thing though, is it?
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Hmmm... that's his image, but don't you think he sounds quite mild in all more recent interviews?
While, on the other hand, Patricia came across positively vile on her own website and in that "Classic Rock" special (not the more recent, lengthy interview, but the lengthy glossy article where they quoted all these people to make Eldritch look like a psychopath).
While, on the other hand, Patricia came across positively vile on her own website and in that "Classic Rock" special (not the more recent, lengthy interview, but the lengthy glossy article where they quoted all these people to make Eldritch look like a psychopath).
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Actually, you're right.Sita wrote:Hmmm... that's his image, but don't you think he sounds quite mild in all more recent interviews?
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tbh, it doesn't really matter to me if she did or didn't write or play anything on floodland 
the sister mk 2 was andy and pat.
(i'm not going to quibble about minor lineup changes pre-wayne. you all know what i mean when i say mk2)
floodland was the sisters' breakthrough album in terms of chart acceptance, and the singles off it were seen as breakthrough cross-over songs from the inde/alternative charts the mainstream charts.
the sister at that time were all about andy & pat.
she was as integral to the 'look' of the band at the time as he was.
all those press photos, the interviews, the videos, the single sleeves, the music tv appearances... in the absence of any live shows, the band at that stage were all about their recorded work (which at the time was claimed to involve pat) and their visual appearance (of which pat was integral)
don't buy into von's rhetoric about her being a hanger-on.
(maybe the reason he's gone mild about it is that he's slightly embarrassed about making such outrageous claims? maybe not. we will never know.)
in the same way as that crazy dancing afro guy from boney m didn't actually sing on those records, he was just as much a part of that band
and the missing member of the sisters mk 2?
the sister mk 2 was andy and pat.
(i'm not going to quibble about minor lineup changes pre-wayne. you all know what i mean when i say mk2)
floodland was the sisters' breakthrough album in terms of chart acceptance, and the singles off it were seen as breakthrough cross-over songs from the inde/alternative charts the mainstream charts.
the sister at that time were all about andy & pat.
she was as integral to the 'look' of the band at the time as he was.
all those press photos, the interviews, the videos, the single sleeves, the music tv appearances... in the absence of any live shows, the band at that stage were all about their recorded work (which at the time was claimed to involve pat) and their visual appearance (of which pat was integral)
don't buy into von's rhetoric about her being a hanger-on.
(maybe the reason he's gone mild about it is that he's slightly embarrassed about making such outrageous claims? maybe not. we will never know.)
in the same way as that crazy dancing afro guy from boney m didn't actually sing on those records, he was just as much a part of that band
and the missing member of the sisters mk 2?
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I think I read somewhere (probably Wiki, so its probably not true) that Bobby Farrell (or Crazy Dancing Afro Guy, as his parents knew him) did actually sing live, when the band were required to do so (I think that means actual concerts rather than TV appearances etc). Granted though, Boney M were masterminded by the same guy behind Milli Vanilli. One thing that's not in question is that the guy could really dance, whereas Pat's role in the Sisters was seemingly just to show up.Quiff Boy wrote:tbh, it doesn't really matter to me if she did or didn't write or play anything on floodland
the sister mk 2 was andy and pat.
(i'm not going to quibble about minor lineup changes pre-wayne. you all know what i mean when i say mk2)
floodland was the sisters' breakthrough album in terms of chart acceptance, and the singles off it were seen as breakthrough cross-over songs from the inde/alternative charts the mainstream charts.
the sister at that time were all about andy & pat.
she was as integral to the 'look' of the band at the time as he was.
all those press photos, the interviews, the videos, the single sleeves, the music tv appearances... in the absence of any live shows, the band at that stage were all about their recorded work (which at the time was claimed to involve pat) and their visual appearance (of which pat was integral)
don't buy into von's rhetoric about her being a hanger-on.
(maybe the reason he's gone mild about it is that he's slightly embarrassed about making such outrageous claims? maybe not. we will never know.)
in the same way as that crazy dancing afro guy from boney m didn't actually sing on those records, he was just as much a part of that band
and the missing member of the sisters mk 2?
People do so like to help you keep your feet on the ground
This is all very true, and I absolutely agree about the integral part, being a Floodland-Era-Fan myself, and despite me saying she sounded nasty, I still love Patricia's white gown on those TV performances, but - What are you doing here??? 
Shouldn't you be studying a drinks menu right now, and not our silly musings? 
Shouldn't you be studying a drinks menu right now, and not our silly musings? Completely seconded ...Quiff Boy wrote:tbh, it doesn't really matter to me if she did or didn't write or play anything on floodland
the sister mk 2 was andy and pat.
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floodland was the sisters' breakthrough album in terms of chart acceptance, and the singles off it were seen as breakthrough cross-over songs from the inde/alternative charts the mainstream charts.
the sister at that time were all about andy & pat.
she was as integral to the 'look' of the band at the time as he was.
all those press photos, the interviews, the videos, the single sleeves, the music tv appearances... in the absence of any live shows, the band at that stage were all about their recorded work (which at the time was claimed to involve pat) and their visual appearance (of which pat was integral)
don't buy into von's rhetoric about her being a hanger-on.
... see also for example
http://www.ultimatesistersguide.org/ima ... ne-881.jpg
http://www.ultimatesistersguide.org/ima ... ne-882.jpg
... as much as
www.ultimatesistersguide.org/images/mag ... ec-871.jpg
http://www.ultimatesistersguide.org/ima ... ec-872.jpg
http://www.ultimatesistersguide.org/ima ... ec-873.jpg
As to The Sisters' MKII see also the James Ray Interview in GPS
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Machine Regime wrote:Thank f**k he was never put in charge of the South African Truth and Reconciliation Commission...
seriously how the f**k did you come up with that?! of course not, he has absolutely nothing to do with that, nevermind in charge of it. it's all about circles and spirals
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Doesn't make him right, just makes him articulate.Machine Regime wrote:Lately I've come round to Von's side of the whole thing now, his statements seem a little more coherent.
Because of the direct link, I read Von's interview first and it all sounded completely plausible. Then I read Andreas's and that sounded completely plausible too - not least because he was only the latest in a long line of people to say similar things. That's why I'd like to hear Tim's version - to see whether he supported one or the other or gave a more realistic middle ground.
In terms of whether or not Patricia wrote anything, I suspect there's a coomon disagreement there over what constitutes writing and what constitutes arranging (which would probably require her to have played). As an example, Wayne wrote all the Mish songs on the first four albums himself but then let everyone get involved in the arrangement. He considered their contributions so important that they co-writing credits on every song. Elvis Costello did essentially the same thing when with the Attractions - he wrote the basic song and demoed it on an acoustic guitar - then worked out the arrangement with the band. he fully respected their contribution and always acknowledged it but he's always credited as sole writer. Neither's right or wrong; it's just a different viewpoint on what's the song and what's the arrangement. Maybe the same happened with the Sisters. Maybe Von wrote the basic songs but Patricia helped with arrangements. Maybe she actually wrote the Lucretia bassline and feels that she deserves a co-writing credit. but maybe Von feels that he'd already written the song and she just helped with the arrangement. And they'd both be right. Or this could be wild speculation and I'd be wrong.