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Very nice find. It seems we should prepare the prize already.

It's a fake photo though. The cross is missing.

^^^^^
pissing myself laughing Michael

Being645 wrote:Not the full clarification, but at least a further strong hint to the whereabouts of this church ... ...

* from Victorian Snapshots by Paul Martin, 1939 Billing and Son Ltd

I've been scouring the http://trigpointing.uk/ website for candidates for a while but if it's in Portsmouth, it's not pictured here; http://trigpointing.uk/trigtools/find.php?t=portsmouth

Caption says "near Portsmouth".
That could be a big area to search

Pista wrote:Caption says "near Portsmouth".
That could be a big area to search

I had a good scour through the South Hampshire area using Google Maps then Images, but haven't found a likely candidate. I also checked out images of the all the churches listed on the CofE Portsmouth diocese list. Still no joy.
I have assumed that if the church was the other side of Southampton or Chichester it would say that town instead. I omitted the Isle of Wight from my search.
Am also intrigued by the photo credit, G.P.A. There appears to have been a photographic studio which specialised in postcards in Cumbria, GP Allsopp, but I doubt if this is whom it refers to given both Martin's and the church's locations being in the South. The mystery continues ...

Nikolas Vitus Lagartija wrote: Am also intrigued by the photo credit, G.P.A. There appears to have been a photographic studio which specialised in postcards in Cumbria, GP Allsopp, but I doubt if this is whom it refers to given both Martin's and the church's locations being in the South. The mystery continues ...

G.P.A. - I guess it's Global Photographer's Association ... ...

Pista wrote:Caption says "near Portsmouth".
That could be a big area to search

OK. I've looked at this one before and come back to it before as well, but I've always discounted it as the perspectives seem wrong. Can someone run a fresh pair of eyes over this please? I'm particularly drawn to the large rounded tree but it seems to be in the wrong place, although 100 years have passed;

^ nope

Its not beside all similarities.

The original foto indicates that the church in question has a more or less west-east directon when looking at the shadows of the people (sunday morning) . This should eliminate many similar churches.

Also, the top right corner in the bootleg foto reveals that there is already the tower, showing a vertical wall and a vertical downpipe above the tree in the front.

Nikolas Vitus Lagartija wrote:I also checked out images of the all the churches listed on the CofE Portsmouth diocese list. Still no joy.

"The Catholic girls now"

Not necessarily CofE in other words

Does the Celtic cross on the gate provide any clues. Presumably they're not that common so far south.

stufarq wrote:Does the Celtic cross on the gate provide any clues. Presumably they're not that common so far south.

No, it is still present regularly, see e.g. The site i listed above for churches on the isle of wight.

Would Gary Marx know? Maybe some-one who knows or can contact him could give him a shout? Sorry if this has already been suggested. Have the man-cold and am too lazy to look through all the previous posts!

I am suffering from a jet lag, i have time

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/754409

Just an example from the north of portsmouth area, similar kind of walls, similar stonework, and especially similar columns at the entrance of the surrounding wall, and crosses.

None of us is from that area?

I am still impressed by the sheer amount of churches similar to the cover's one.

jost 7 wrote:http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/754409

Just an example from the north of portsmouth area, similar kind of walls, similar stonework, and especially similar columns at the entrance of the surrounding wall, and crosses.

Now that seems close, however I'm not too sure about the cross and the corner.

Style's close, but, compared the DD sleeve, the eaves are a lot higher up.

still think it's a private chapel. Either that or the backdoor to a public church. The wall seems pretty posh for a church and it's the wrong way round.

A thought occurred to me that it might be the chapel at a school.

I mean I know this isn't it but...
Clicky or clicky

markfiend wrote:A thought occurred to me that it might be the chapel at a school.

Interesting thought, but would there be a cemetery at a school chapel? At least I assume those are the tops of grave stones just behind that wall.
Looks (to me) like a village church. Although whether it's still in a "village" over a century later is debatable.
Whether it still stands is another question. Portsmouth is a big naval base & was bombed to cr@p in WWII

Pista wrote:Interesting thought, but would there be a cemetery at a school chapel? At least I assume those are the tops of grave stones just behind that wall.

Oh yeah good point

Pista wrote:Looks (to me) like a village church. Although whether it's still in a "village" over a century later is debatable.
Whether it still stands is another question. Portsmouth is a big naval base & was bombed to cr@p in WWII

Yeah I mentioned the possibility that it might no longer exist earlier.

I've spent a good couple of hours doing a GIS on village churches around Portsmouth & there are hundreds of the damn things.
At least 70% of them have very similar architecture.
Just trying to pull them up on street view, which is hard as you're virtually wandering around in a strange village.
A few nice looking pubs though.

jost 7 just sent me a rough sketch of how the out-of-shot parts of the church may look. He's travelling so asked me to post it for him.
It was massive, so I resized it to avoid wide ons



Have to admit, this is the same form as ones I've been pouring through on GIS

Thanks steve for helping out.

When looking at the "sunday morning" picture it seems to have the beginning of the second roof, so no tower, which makes sense referring to the common types. A better and full version of that picture would help.

I think the "second roof" is more likely to be a side door, vestry, vestibule etc - ie a small bit sticking out of the side of the main building rather than part of a larger section behind. If you look at the photo limur posted further up this page, you'll see what I mean, as there's one on the right of the picture. The main clue is that the small section of roof we can see is much lower than the rest of the roof. Considering it's directly opposite a gate with a path leading towards it, and there are people going in that way, my money's on it being an entrance, although it doesn't look like the main one.