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Re: What do you think really changed in Andrew's handling of the band/brand?
Posted: 29 Jul 2024, 07:56
by Planet Dave
Phil wrote: ↑27 Jul 2024, 08:28
I guess it wouldn't be so bad if the new songs were bad, or unimaginative and boring. Personally I think they're as good as any of the recorded stuff and in some cases better.
If you're reading this Andrew, can we just have a live gig posted online in mp3s? Just one, it's even easier than t-shirts.
This! 'as good and in some cases better' - yep yep and thrice yep. Less chance of a live recording than a studio recording though, trying to decide on the best sounding show to release would keep him busy for the next 20 years
maybe he's still doing that for a process that started in 2003.
I do like the idea of passing responsibility on to Ben though, that might make summat happen. He's surely proved his 'responsibility / power' credentials to the band by now.
Re: What do you think really changed in Andrew's handling of the band/brand?
Posted: 29 Jul 2024, 08:00
by Bartek
Ocean Moves wrote: ↑28 Jul 2024, 00:50
Personally I'd be a bit disappointed to wait 25 years to get a live show released by the band;
there's a ton of recordings, many of good quality, floating around already.
But none as good as the one take from the mixing desk even slightly polished.
Re: What do you think really changed in Andrew's handling of the band/brand?
Posted: 29 Jul 2024, 13:42
by z666
I think Ben has been infected by the same virus. Look at the Diamond Black releases' history, they have recorded like 5 songs in eight years or something in that area. Kai seems more prolific, but give him some more time with Eldritch and that can be solved...
Re: What do you think really changed in Andrew's handling of the band/brand?
Posted: 30 Jul 2024, 00:44
by Incoming!
Avocado farm. Can someone give me a link to the article? I don’t follow AE life closely.
Re: What do you think really changed in Andrew's handling of the band/brand?
Posted: 30 Jul 2024, 02:21
by Phantasmagoria
Incoming! wrote: ↑30 Jul 2024, 00:44
Avocado farm. Can someone give me a link to the article? I don’t follow AE life closely.
https://illinoisentertainer.com/2024/05 ... -villains/
Re: What do you think really changed in Andrew's handling of the band/brand?
Posted: 30 Jul 2024, 09:25
by Ocean Moves
z666 wrote: ↑29 Jul 2024, 13:42
I think Ben has been infected by the same virus. Look at the Diamond Black releases' history, they have recorded like 5 songs in eight years or something in that area. Kai seems more prolific, but give him some more time with Eldritch and that can be solved...
Has Kai written any songs with the Sisters yet ?
Re: What do you think really changed in Andrew's handling of the band/brand?
Posted: 30 Jul 2024, 13:52
by Bartek
Yeah, there's not excuse why Kai didn't wrote at least 8 songs for TSOM that have not been played live. IT'S OUTRAGEOUS!
People were sacked from this band for lesser misdemeanors.
Re: What do you think really changed in Andrew's handling of the band/brand?
Posted: 30 Jul 2024, 16:14
by ruffers
z666 wrote: ↑29 Jul 2024, 13:42
I think Ben has been infected by the same virus. Look at the Diamond Black releases' history, they have recorded like 5 songs in eight years or something in that area. Kai seems more prolific, but give him some more time with Eldritch and that can be solved...
There was an interview a couple of years ago with Ben Dylan and Davey all sat on a sofa where Ben said something along the lines of "We all want to record an album, but we're not the decision makers". The block's not with him.
Re: What do you think really changed in Andrew's handling of the band/brand?
Posted: 30 Jul 2024, 19:32
by sultan2075
ruffers wrote: ↑30 Jul 2024, 16:14
z666 wrote: ↑29 Jul 2024, 13:42
I think Ben has been infected by the same virus. Look at the Diamond Black releases' history, they have recorded like 5 songs in eight years or something in that area. Kai seems more prolific, but give him some more time with Eldritch and that can be solved...
There was an interview a couple of years ago with Ben Dylan and Davey all sat on a sofa where Ben said something along the lines of "We all want to record an album, but we're not the decision makers". The block's not with him.
Am I imagining it or wasn't there talk of a 'But Genevieve' single right before the Covid disaster? I thought someone said Davey had spilled the beans on a planned (and now, presumably, long-scuttled) release?
Re: What do you think really changed in Andrew's handling of the band/brand?
Posted: 30 Jul 2024, 22:39
by ribbons69
I've always assumed he just made that up for that article. Sisters fans lap up everything he says and take it as gospel. In the same article he says "I was reading Lord of the Rings when I was four" No he wasn't, he's taking the p*ss out of the intervievers "I was reading H P Lovecraft when I was seven" question.
Re: What do you think really changed in Andrew's handling of the band/brand?
Posted: 31 Jul 2024, 07:30
by Planet Dave
ribbons69 wrote: ↑30 Jul 2024, 22:39
I've always assumed he just made that up for that article. Sisters fans lap up everything he says and take it as gospel. In the same article he says "I was reading Lord of the Rings when I was four" No he wasn't, he's taking the p*ss out of the intervievers "I was reading H P Lovecraft when I was seven" question.
Well that'll make a refreshing change of tack in Von / Sisters discussions. Is or isn't Von an avocado farmer in his spare time? I really hope he is, fk a new album, I'm waiting expectantly for a Sisters Snack Box featuring Von's fruit and Kai's coffee. That's out the window if he's taking the p*ss.
Re: What do you think really changed in Andrew's handling of the band/brand?
Posted: 31 Jul 2024, 07:51
by H. Blackrose
ribbons69 wrote: ↑30 Jul 2024, 22:39
I've always assumed he just made that up for that article. Sisters fans lap up everything he says and take it as gospel. In the same article he says "I was reading Lord of the Rings when I was four" No he wasn't, he's taking the p*ss out of the intervievers "I was reading H P Lovecraft when I was seven" question.
If everything that Von says is a lie, logically we should expect the new album to be released tomorrow
Re: What do you think really changed in Andrew's handling of the band/brand?
Posted: 31 Jul 2024, 09:34
by Bartek
I tend to agree that Chris probably was making a very sarcastic opinion about HLers.
Re: What do you think really changed in Andrew's handling of the band/brand?
Posted: 31 Jul 2024, 12:08
by deirfiur
One egotist interviewing another egotist is not conducive to meaningful insights... more like a pissing contest against a wall
https://illinoisentertainer.com/2024/05 ... -villains/
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Re: What do you think really changed in Andrew's handling of the band/brand?
Posted: 31 Jul 2024, 13:48
by TheGoodSon
ruffers wrote: ↑30 Jul 2024, 16:14
z666 wrote: ↑29 Jul 2024, 13:42
I think Ben has been infected by the same virus. Look at the Diamond Black releases' history, they have recorded like 5 songs in eight years or something in that area. Kai seems more prolific, but give him some more time with Eldritch and that can be solved...
There was an interview a couple of years ago with Ben Dylan and Davey all sat on a sofa where Ben said something along the lines of "We all want to record an album, but we're not the decision makers". The block's not with him.
I interviewed Ben, Dylan and Dave in Malmö back in 2019. They talked about the process, how the new songs came about - and about how they not only wanted to record and release an album, they saw it as ”the next logical step” with the new songs. ”But”, they quickly added, ”ultimately the decision has to be Andrews.”
Re: What do you think really changed in Andrew's handling of the band/brand?
Posted: 31 Jul 2024, 15:02
by Husek
sultan2075 wrote: ↑30 Jul 2024, 19:32
ruffers wrote: ↑30 Jul 2024, 16:14
z666 wrote: ↑29 Jul 2024, 13:42
I think Ben has been infected by the same virus. Look at the Diamond Black releases' history, they have recorded like 5 songs in eight years or something in that area. Kai seems more prolific, but give him some more time with Eldritch and that can be solved...
There was an interview a couple of years ago with Ben Dylan and Davey all sat on a sofa where Ben said something along the lines of "We all want to record an album, but we're not the decision makers". The block's not with him.
Am I imagining it or wasn't there talk of a 'But Genevieve' single right before the Covid disaster? I thought someone said Davey had spilled the beans on a planned (and now, presumably, long-scuttled) release?
That would be the ultimate sisters move.
> stop recording for well over 3 decades.
> refuses to record stuff from mr.whammy era, arguably their best tunes.
> refuses to record any new songs the from Ben and Chris era.
> releases a single of a song that by all measures is considered incomplete and unpolished.
> refuses to elaborate
> leaves back to the avocado farm.
Re: What do you think really changed in Andrew's handling of the band/brand?
Posted: 31 Jul 2024, 17:09
by mh
sultan2075 wrote: ↑30 Jul 2024, 19:32
ruffers wrote: ↑30 Jul 2024, 16:14
z666 wrote: ↑29 Jul 2024, 13:42
I think Ben has been infected by the same virus. Look at the Diamond Black releases' history, they have recorded like 5 songs in eight years or something in that area. Kai seems more prolific, but give him some more time with Eldritch and that can be solved...
There was an interview a couple of years ago with Ben Dylan and Davey all sat on a sofa where Ben said something along the lines of "We all want to record an album, but we're not the decision makers". The block's not with him.
Am I imagining it or wasn't there talk of a 'But Genevieve' single right before the Covid disaster? I thought someone said Davey had spilled the beans on a planned (and now, presumably, long-scuttled) release?
This happened in Bristol in 2020, so I guess statute of limitations is now passed. Davey told a few of us in the pub, after the gig. What I specifically remember from my own chat with him is that he was very interested in getting people's opinion of the song, and that it was going to be the "first single" that summer.
That was obviously immediately pre-Covid and was only the 2nd date of the tour. Nobody knew what was going to happen just a couple of weeks later, and my own assumption is that the various Covid restrictions everywhere, together with cancellation of the tour after the first 4 dates, changed whatever plans the band might have had.
Assuming Davey wasn't just being a wag and having us all on, of course.
I can still get to say there was a Sisters tour I went to every single date of, by way of consolation for not having a single.
Re: What do you think really changed in Andrew's handling of the band/brand?
Posted: 31 Jul 2024, 18:21
by sultan2075
mh wrote: ↑31 Jul 2024, 17:09
sultan2075 wrote: ↑30 Jul 2024, 19:32
ruffers wrote: ↑30 Jul 2024, 16:14
There was an interview a couple of years ago with Ben Dylan and Davey all sat on a sofa where Ben said something along the lines of "We all want to record an album, but we're not the decision makers". The block's not with him.
Am I imagining it or wasn't there talk of a 'But Genevieve' single right before the Covid disaster? I thought someone said Davey had spilled the beans on a planned (and now, presumably, long-scuttled) release?
This happened in Bristol in 2020, so I guess statute of limitations is now passed. Davey told a few of us in the pub, after the gig. What I specifically remember from my own chat with him is that he was very interested in getting people's opinion of the song, and that it was going to be the "first single" that summer.
That was obviously immediately pre-Covid and was only the 2nd date of the tour. Nobody knew what was going to happen just a couple of weeks later, and my own assumption is that the various Covid restrictions everywhere, together with cancellation of the tour after the first 4 dates, changed whatever plans the band might have had.
Assuming Davey wasn't just being a wag and having us all on, of course.
I can still get to say there was a Sisters tour I went to every single date of, by way of consolation for not having a single.
Were I ever to write a book on the band, I think I'd have to call it
Things That Should Have Been.
Re: What do you think really changed in Andrew's handling of the band/brand?
Posted: 31 Jul 2024, 22:31
by ruffers
TheGoodSon wrote: ↑31 Jul 2024, 13:48
ruffers wrote: ↑30 Jul 2024, 16:14
z666 wrote: ↑29 Jul 2024, 13:42
I think Ben has been infected by the same virus. Look at the Diamond Black releases' history, they have recorded like 5 songs in eight years or something in that area. Kai seems more prolific, but give him some more time with Eldritch and that can be solved...
There was an interview a couple of years ago with Ben Dylan and Davey all sat on a sofa where Ben said something along the lines of "We all want to record an album, but we're not the decision makers". The block's not with him.
I interviewed Ben, Dylan and Dave in Malmö back in 2019. They talked about the process, how the new songs came about - and about how they not only wanted to record and release an album, they saw it as ”the next logical step” with the new songs. ”But”, they quickly added, ”ultimately the decision has to be Andrews.”
That's the one, thanks
Re: What do you think really changed in Andrew's handling of the band/brand?
Posted: 02 Aug 2024, 14:27
by alanm
I was reflecting, as I drove home too fast from a boozy lunch (blasting Odin Owns Ye All by Einherjer), that a large part the Sisters feel and appeal lives in the imperfections. There isn't a Sisters era or sound that is without critics. Production is s**t on the earlier releases. Portions of the fanbase hate anything that doesn't sound like Reptile House (or Floodland, or Body Electric, etc). Put any Sisters track through a technical "what makes this song great"-type analysis and you'd come up with dozens of things that could be improved, and everyone's list would be different.
So in a way the non-releases are just a continuation of the same aesthetic. All we have is imperfect youtube boots (and concert memories for some of us) and we hanker for more. Would any "polished" official release be better than our imaginations?
Re: What do you think really changed in Andrew's handling of the band/brand?
Posted: 02 Aug 2024, 16:30
by Nyth Grandbeard
mh wrote: ↑31 Jul 2024, 17:09
sultan2075 wrote: ↑30 Jul 2024, 19:32
ruffers wrote: ↑30 Jul 2024, 16:14
There was an interview a couple of years ago with Ben Dylan and Davey all sat on a sofa where Ben said something along the lines of "We all want to record an album, but we're not the decision makers". The block's not with him.
Am I imagining it or wasn't there talk of a 'But Genevieve' single right before the Covid disaster? I thought someone said Davey had spilled the beans on a planned (and now, presumably, long-scuttled) release?
This happened in Bristol in 2020, so I guess statute of limitations is now passed. Davey told a few of us in the pub, after the gig. What I specifically remember from my own chat with him is that he was very interested in getting people's opinion of the song, and that it was going to be the "first single" that summer.
That was obviously immediately pre-Covid and was only the 2nd date of the tour. Nobody knew what was going to happen just a couple of weeks later, and my own assumption is that the various Covid restrictions everywhere, together with cancellation of the tour after the first 4 dates, changed whatever plans the band might have had.
Assuming Davey wasn't just being a wag and having us all on, of course.
I can still get to say there was a Sisters tour I went to every single date of, by way of consolation for not having a single.
I vaguely remember hearing somewhere on this forum that the sisters have some rudimentary recordings of all the songs, mainly for rehearsal purposes. Perhaps those could be released some day, who knows, but id take a live album too honestly. There are some good youtube recordings out there but i still feel like Andrew's voice is a little too far back in the "mix" (if you could call it that
) it does sound better in person though.
Speaking of Davey I hope he's doing well especially with all that has happened. He's been with the sisters for a long time and his contributions can't be understated, and he will be missed for this upcoming US tour, but I hope he takes all the time he needs to recover.
Re: What do you think really changed in Andrew's handling of the band/brand?
Posted: 02 Aug 2024, 16:52
by Suleiman
alanm wrote: ↑02 Aug 2024, 14:27
I was reflecting, as I drove home too fast from a boozy lunch (blasting Odin Owns Ye All by Einherjer), that a large part the Sisters feel and appeal lives in the imperfections. There isn't a Sisters era or sound that is without critics. Production is s**t on the earlier releases. Portions of the fanbase hate anything that doesn't sound like Reptile House (or Floodland, or Body Electric, etc). Put any Sisters track through a technical "what makes this song great"-type analysis and you'd come up with dozens of things that could be improved, and everyone's list would be different.
So in a way the non-releases are just a continuation of the same aesthetic. All we have is imperfect youtube boots (and concert memories for some of us) and we hanker for more. Would any "polished" official release be better than our imaginations?
Not only the imperfections but also their unattainability. When I first discovered the sisters in the late 80's, finding their earlier recordings wasn't easy. Lot's of great stuff was only available on live bootlegs. Fast forward to the 2020's and much is still unattainable, except for Youtube. Does this add to the mystique or just the frustration?
Re: What do you think really changed in Andrew's handling of the band/brand?
Posted: 02 Aug 2024, 16:57
by sultan2075
Suleiman wrote: ↑02 Aug 2024, 16:52 Does this add to the mystique or just the frustration?
Yes
Re: What do you think really changed in Andrew's handling of the band/brand?
Posted: 02 Aug 2024, 18:14
by Suleiman
sultan2075 wrote: ↑02 Aug 2024, 16:57
Suleiman wrote: ↑02 Aug 2024, 16:52 Does this add to the mystique or just the frustration?
Yes
Re: What do you think really changed in Andrew's handling of the band/brand?
Posted: 03 Aug 2024, 16:10
by Chief Cohiba
Suleiman wrote: ↑02 Aug 2024, 16:52
Not only the imperfections but also their unattainability. When I first discovered the sisters in the late 80's, finding their earlier recordings wasn't easy. Lot's of great stuff was only available on live bootlegs. Fast forward to the 2020's and much is still unattainable, except for Youtube. Does this add to the mystique or just the frustration?
It seems I was lucky. There was a record store in Vienna which obviously was run by a huge Sisters fan. I went there, bought FALAA in 87, a few days later bought the "Enter The Sisters" compilation, then Reptile House, Alice, and so on. The Black October tour, Red Skies Disappear... all could be sourced. I can remember I was hunting "Jolene", and could pick from some versions. Only "Gimme Gimme..." I couldn't trace down.
One guy around here who I met regularily even had a copy of Damage Done, having bought it for some 1.000,- ATS (around 80,- €). He confirmed it was crap, so desire was rather low, but.
The reason why I didn't buy some of the 12" for collection was availability of spare money, not availability of the records itself.
