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Posted: 16 Aug 2005, 16:33
by Mrs. Snowey
boudicca wrote:
canon docre wrote:sad old chaps, that tried to add a few centimeters to their size by an extravagant hair-do. :roll:
God knows, that's more than SOME people can manage these days... :von: :innocent: :lol:
Ahh, but he doesn't need to :wink: But it could be why Tony James used to wear that hat :lol:

Posted: 16 Aug 2005, 16:57
by boudicca
Mrs. Snowey wrote:
boudicca wrote:
canon docre wrote:sad old chaps, that tried to add a few centimeters to their size by an extravagant hair-do. :roll:
God knows, that's more than SOME people can manage these days... :von: :innocent: :lol:
Ahh, but he doesn't need to :wink: But it could be why Tony James used to wear that hat :lol:
Seems to be what Alvin Stardust was going for as well! :lol:

Posted: 16 Aug 2005, 17:23
by Spirit UK
A mixed bag of results here, I personally want the magic and mystery back. So come on.................. :lol:

Oh yeah and I'm not a part of Sheffgoths :roll:

Posted: 16 Aug 2005, 17:59
by canon docre
boudicca wrote:
canon docre wrote:sad old chaps, that tried to add a few centimeters to their size by an extravagant hair-do. :roll:
God knows, that's more than SOME people can manage these days... :von: :innocent: :lol:
This guy was even a good head smaller than :von: . (If that is ever possible without being a genetic midget. )

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Posted: 16 Aug 2005, 18:08
by ruffers
Sorry, I have no idea who the feck that is. It looks like Jamie Theakston in a wig.

Posted: 16 Aug 2005, 18:09
by canon docre
It is a german Ãœber-Goth from Deine Lakaien, playing right before the sisters on sunday.

Posted: 16 Aug 2005, 18:13
by boudicca
canon docre wrote:
boudicca wrote:
canon docre wrote:sad old chaps, that tried to add a few centimeters to their size by an extravagant hair-do. :roll:
God knows, that's more than SOME people can manage these days... :von: :innocent: :lol:
This guy was even a good head smaller than :von: . (If that is ever possible without being a genetic midget. )

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You know, I suspected it was him you were talking about! :lol:

I like DL... And don't let D00meh hear you slag him off! :innocent:

Posted: 16 Aug 2005, 18:17
by Dark
markfiend wrote:Heh. I'm glad someone agrees with my assessment of that tw@t McLaren's "contribution" to punk.

About the only claim to have invented punk with less credibility than McLaren's is Jonathan King's. (Yes, I have honestly seen Jonathan King on TV claim to have invented punk :eek:)
Well, I read that on their gig in 1971 in the OK Harris Gallery, Suicide got similar bands together in NYC and called it "A Punk Music Mass", and though punk had been around before them (1960s garage rock, etc), they were the first to use it in that context.

Doesn't mean they invented punk, though. I don't think anyone particularly made it, they just kept it going.

Posted: 16 Aug 2005, 18:21
by Mrs. Snowey
Dark wrote: Doesn't mean they invented punk, though. I don't think anyone particularly made it, they just kept it going.
Bit like timsinister then :lol:

Posted: 16 Aug 2005, 18:22
by Thea
Spirit UK wrote:A mixed bag of results here, I personally want the magic and mystery back. So come on.................. :lol:

Oh yeah and I'm not a part of Sheffgoths :roll:
Very sensible. Although they're not as scary as they look! :lol:

Posted: 16 Aug 2005, 18:24
by Thea
boudicca wrote:
canon docre wrote:
boudicca wrote: God knows, that's more than SOME people can manage these days... :von: :innocent: :lol:
This guy was even a good head smaller than :von: . (If that is ever possible without being a genetic midget. )

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You know, I suspected it was him you were talking about! :lol:

I like DL... And don't let D00meh hear you slag him off! :innocent:
Damn straight. Poor Alexander Veljenov! He's not German though,he's Macedonian. But he is an uber-goth extrodinare! 8)

Posted: 16 Aug 2005, 18:25
by Thea
Mrs. Snowey wrote:
Dark wrote: Doesn't mean they invented punk, though. I don't think anyone particularly made it, they just kept it going.
Bit like timsinister then :lol:
:notworthy:

Posted: 16 Aug 2005, 18:30
by canon docre
d00mw0lf wrote: Damn straight. Poor Alexander Veljenov! He's not German though,he's Macedonian. But he is an uber-goth extrodinare! 8)
... and he was a bit sensitive about being complimented off stage to give space to THE GOTHIC OVERLORD. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Posted: 16 Aug 2005, 18:33
by Thea
canon docre wrote:
d00mw0lf wrote: Damn straight. Poor Alexander Veljenov! He's not German though,he's Macedonian. But he is an uber-goth extrodinare! 8)
... and he was a bit sensitive about being complimented off stage to give space to THE GOTHIC OVERLORD. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Well, yes. :lol: Bless 'em!

Posted: 16 Aug 2005, 19:19
by Delilah
After spending 1 day at Meraluna (sorry, but it is a goth fest in my opinion) I think we have the following categories of bands:
1. old goth bands who never really achieved anything but are still using and abusing the goth image (stupid hair and eyeliner) to maximum trying to get as much profit as possible from the dying scene (Deine Lakaien)
2. brand new teenage-goth bands trying to be as serious as possible, never be caught smiling on stage and backstage and pouting to perfection. they probably never heard of FOTN or The Sisters, for them goth means Marylin Manson, Slipknot and possibly Green Day (coz they wear a eyeliner too!). For example - The Birthday MAssacre. We had a right laugh because of them coz they are a bunch of anorexic Canadian teenagers, covered in artificial blood and vampiric make-up right until the end (they didnt bother to wash after the gig), and they kept disappearing to the catering area trying to make up for all those years of starving!
3. Metal bands who never achieved a lot on the metal scene, so they employed a female singer with black hair and pale face, preferrably borrowed for a choir or opera, bought some cheap keyboard and started playing "atmospheric" (Within Tempation and so many others). Or instead of female singer you can always employ a slightly homosexual-looking male vocalist able to break a few teenage hearts (HIM)
4. Electro bands who always sound the same... Their image may differ slightly... more cyber or more trad-goth look...
5. Old bands who will never agree that they belong to the scene, but are among the first to be associated with the word "goth". They may or may not be dark lyrically or musically, and they burned their black clothes long time ago and are staying away from black hair dye. But their music is eternal...

If someone asks, I would always go for that 5th category. The rest does not bother me at all...

Posted: 16 Aug 2005, 19:29
by Farkas
Delilah wrote:After spending 1 day at Meraluna (sorry, but it is a goth fest in my opinion) I think we have the following categories of bands:
1. old goth bands who never really achieved anything but are still using and abusing the goth image (stupid hair and eyeliner) to maximum trying to get as much profit as possible from the dying scene (Deine Lakaien)
2. brand new teenage-goth bands trying to be as serious as possible, never be caught smiling on stage and backstage and pouting to perfection. they probably never heard of FOTN or The Sisters, for them goth means Marylin Manson, Slipknot and possibly Green Day (coz they wear a eyeliner too!). For example - The Birthday MAssacre. We had a right laugh because of them coz they are a bunch of anorexic Canadian teenagers, covered in artificial blood and vampiric make-up right until the end (they didnt bother to wash after the gig), and they kept disappearing to the catering area trying to make up for all those years of starving!
3. Metal bands who never achieved a lot on the metal scene, so they employed a female singer with black hair and pale face, preferrably borrowed for a choir or opera, bought some cheap keyboard and started playing "atmospheric" (Within Tempation and so many others). Or instead of female singer you can always employ a slightly homosexual-looking male vocalist able to break a few teenage hearts (HIM)
4. Electro bands who always sound the same... Their image may differ slightly... more cyber or more trad-goth look...
5. Old bands who will never agree that they belong to the scene, but are among the first to be associated with the word "goth". They may or may not be dark lyrically or musically, and they burned their black clothes long time ago and are staying away from black hair dye. But their music is eternal...

If someone asks, I would always go for that 5th category. The rest does not bother me at all...
i like that....translation :)
but whats with bands like Moonspell, Type´o´Negative????
2nd generation old style-goth, or first generation doom-style-goth?

Posted: 16 Aug 2005, 20:53
by Delilah
canon docre wrote: This guy was even a good head smaller than :von: . (If that is ever possible without being a genetic midget. )

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@ Jess :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: We had a laugh, didn't we? He did not even smile once. All 150 cm of him and that litres of hairspray make him a really quite ridiculous person! BTW, remember that NBew Romantic guy? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Posted: 16 Aug 2005, 20:55
by Delilah
Farkas wrote:
i like that....translation :)
but whats with bands like Moonspell, Type´o´Negative????
2nd generation old style-goth, or first generation doom-style-goth?
Well... I would still put them to Metal Bands category... I do like them bth BTW. And Type O singer at least looks quite sexy, but still... give me The Sisters or Fields any time! :D

Posted: 17 Aug 2005, 05:25
by ryan
Only a goth band that denies they are a goth band will be the next goth band. :wink:

Posted: 17 Aug 2005, 11:47
by canon docre
Delilah wrote: @ Jess :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: We had a laugh, didn't we? He did not even smile once. All 150 cm of him and that litres of hairspray make him a really quite ridiculous person! BTW, remember that NBew Romantic guy? :lol: :lol: :lol:
How could I forget Mr. "I've never bothered about anything released after Construction Time Again, hence my outfit." :lol: :lol:
At least our fair Overlord bowed in respect to him, unlike us. :innocent: :lol:

Posted: 17 Aug 2005, 12:08
by Karst
Aaaah - the ultimate question. Where is Mick Mercer when you need him. ;)

Posted: 17 Aug 2005, 12:29
by timsinister
Karst wrote:Aaaah - the ultimate question. Where is Mick Mercer when you need him. ;)
Bitter man there :wink:
A fine example of getting on AE's bad side. Good bloke though.

Posted: 17 Aug 2005, 12:40
by canon docre
And who's that?

Posted: 17 Aug 2005, 12:44
by timsinister
canon docre wrote:And who's that?
Mick Mercer? Author, former NME columnist (don't mention that), freelance music reviewer. Wrote a few very good books on modern Goth culture and society. Has a legendary beef with Eldritch's mob over obvious reasons.

Posted: 17 Aug 2005, 12:53
by canon docre
timsinister wrote:
canon docre wrote:And who's that?
Mick Mercer? Author, former NME columnist (don't mention that), freelance music reviewer. Wrote a few very good books on modern Goth culture and society. Has a legendary beef with Eldritch's mob over obvious reasons.
:lol: Ah, I see. The root of all evil. :lol: