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Posted: 18 Nov 2009, 21:08
by Being645
... somehow I find it very bitter - and incomprehensible - that any
people succeed in making money of his recordings and he should not be
able to do so or have his share ...
If this should really be the case:
Don't know,
, what you've been doing, but I'm sure it doesn't have to be this way.
Posted: 18 Nov 2009, 21:16
by Randall Flagg
paul wrote: had a hand in certain bootlegs in the past, so maybe in these also.
This is loosely on topic in relation to the recent thread so bear with me.
While it's yet to be established that
had a hand in releasing his own bootlegs, the Sex Pistols and PIL most certainly did. Particularly PIL with a number of very rare/limited Japanese bootlegs from the late 70's early 80's.
Now some of you may recall that John Lydon's younger brother Jimmy was in a band called the Bollock Brothers around the same time (early 80's).
We're getting there honestly - well the Bollck Brothers released a 12" single called The Bunker.
That in itself is of little interest here, what is, is the B side, a song titled The Bootleg Man
http://www.discogs.com/Bollock-Brothers ... ase/543508
While I own this record (somewhere) I've not listened to it for years, however the aforementioned B side sells the story of Toshi who is the Bootleg Man.
Toshi came from Japan, was a regular visitor to UK record fairs (buying lots of early punk and new wave collectibles) to take back home to resell in Japan.
He'd buy vinyl for cash - but he also brought over rare Japanese releases, particularly 7" Japanese singles.
Can you guess which ultra rare UK punk/new wave singles he was involved in replicating/copying/counterfeiting (call it what you will)?
Flagg
Posted: 18 Nov 2009, 21:25
by Randall Flagg
Rise891 wrote:He has told me several times he hates every bootleg ever made. He tried to compete by making live tracks available on a single and it didn't go well. He also has no desire to release the infamous live video they were shooting for 5 years.
Hmm - one of the great missed opportunities to my mind was that when the opportunity arose to showcase some live songs (b side Dr Jeep 12 inch)
had to resort to copying bootleg vinyl c/o Mr Pinnell if I recall.
I've no doubt the proliferation of bootlegs after FALAA and the split helped sustain interest in The Sisters of Mercy so that when Floodland arrived the fan base was if anything stronger than ever.
Flagg
Posted: 03 Dec 2009, 12:42
by cardoman
Very strange, seems printed paper (ok I know the original was printed paper too but this looks weird...). Opinions of experts?
DD
Posted: 03 Dec 2009, 14:39
by paint it black
Rise891 wrote:He has told me several times he hates every bootleg ever made. He tried to compete by making live tracks available on a single and it didn't go well. He also has no desire to release the infamous live video they were shooting for 5 years.
a) he's lying
b) he's lying
c) quite probably now, but that's because it was largly taken out of his hands
a) they used to be around Leeds all the time
b) it was record company presure. he did just enough to meet that
c) chris mastered it with him, then decided he didn't want to do anything with it
*latest I know he was directly involved in is Dark Christmas
Posted: 03 Dec 2009, 15:10
by Ozpat
paint it black wrote:Rise891 wrote:He has told me several times he hates every bootleg ever made. He tried to compete by making live tracks available on a single and it didn't go well. He also has no desire to release the infamous live video they were shooting for 5 years.
a) he's lying
b) he's lying
c) quite probably now, but that's because it was largly taken out of his hands
a) they used to be around Leeds all the time
b) it was record company presure. he did just enough to meet that
c) chris mastered it with him, then decided he didn't want to do anything with it
*latest I know he was directly involved in is Dark Christmas
Thanks Ez!
Posted: 03 Dec 2009, 16:07
by 17.auflage
cardoman wrote:Very strange, seems printed paper (ok I know the original was printed paper too but this looks weird...). Opinions of experts?
DD
can´t help, but it looks strange. We have to ask about further pics and deatails of ROGI. Will nor bid before we have more info...
Posted: 03 Dec 2009, 16:51
by despair
The seller claims it's a white label...
Posted: 03 Dec 2009, 18:15
by taylor
yes primary reissue PY
Posted: 04 Dec 2009, 14:01
by 17.auflage
He didn´t answer my questions so far. To bad.
Posted: 04 Dec 2009, 18:06
by cardoman
17.auflage wrote:He didn´t answer my questions so far. To bad.
Asked the same J. No answers received either. Looks bad I guess. Did you bought the 2009 reissu?
Posted: 04 Dec 2009, 18:20
by 17.auflage
he answered in the auction.
Xeros wraparound cover...
Very good eyes Mr Taylor!!!
yep, bought. You can see my pictures of it here a few sites back.
Posted: 04 Dec 2009, 20:53
by cardoman
taylor wrote:yes primary reissue PY
Was this the japanese issue or another?
Posted: 04 Dec 2009, 20:55
by cardoman
17.auflage wrote:he answered in the auction.
Xeros wraparound cover...
Very good eyes Mr Taylor!!!
yep, bought. You can see my pictures of it here a few sites back.
Bought them too today... Did you buy the vision thing, floodland, ... remaster from the same seller?
Posted: 12 Dec 2009, 10:10
by 17.auflage
Posted: 12 Dec 2009, 11:15
by cardoman
Starting bid of 438€
I still have questions about this one:
http://cgi.benl.ebay.be/ws/eBayISAPI.dl ... K:MEWAX:IT
In my opinion there were following releases:
original (labels wrong / correct side)
japanese reissue
2009 reissue
Whick one is the one above?
Miss Damage Done
(as Paul give me my new birthday name)
Posted: 12 Dec 2009, 12:33
by 17.auflage
PY-715 is in the Run out groove of the Primary DD
Rimary Records, PY-715
DD, Watch and no home of the hit. You can find it often.
The boys are on the cover.
Posted: 12 Dec 2009, 12:41
by cardoman
17.auflage wrote:PY-715 is in the Run out groove of the Primary DD
Rimary Records, PY-715
DD, Watch and no home of the hit. You can find it often.
The boys are on the cover.
I see, it's that vinyl with a copyed sleeve...(the PY was a portugese, no?)
Posted: 12 Dec 2009, 13:00
by 17.auflage
yep, that is it.
Posted: 16 Dec 2009, 21:04
by cardoman
cardoman wrote:
Starting bid of 438€
540€
Posted: 16 Dec 2009, 21:20
by Randall Flagg
cardoman wrote:cardoman wrote:
Starting bid of 438€
540€
W O W
ended for £479 or 535€ and that's for a copy with some visible sleeve wear!
you have to wonder how much an original pristine copy would sell for?
what's the most anyone seen a DD go for?
Flagg
Posted: 16 Dec 2009, 21:30
by cardoman
Randall Flagg wrote:cardoman wrote:cardoman wrote:
Starting bid of 438€
540€
W O W
ended for £479 or 535€ and that's for a copy with some visible sleeve wear!
you have to wonder how much an original pristine copy would sell for?
what's the most anyone seen a DD go for?
Flagg
http://www.popsike.com/php/quicksearch. ... ce&thumbs=
Posted: 16 Dec 2009, 21:37
by Randall Flagg
cardoman wrote:Randall Flagg wrote:cardoman wrote:
W O W
ended for £479 or 535€ and that's for a copy with some visible sleeve wear!
you have to wonder how much an original pristine copy would sell for?
what's the most anyone seen a DD go for?
Flagg
http://www.popsike.com/php/quicksearch. ... ce&thumbs=
Thanks Cardoman - that's fascinating to see the price progression.
on that basis £600 + for a truly exceptional mint copy original.
Flagg
Posted: 16 Dec 2009, 21:55
by cardoman
Posted: 19 Dec 2009, 08:14
by cardoman
Rise891 wrote:I got all four yesterday also and I am very pleased. Seems to be the same people who did the FALAA represses a few years back.
I ordered the three (DD, BE, AL) and they are georgous...