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regarding kierkegaard

Posted: 22 Mar 2006, 18:51
by itnAklipse
Hello, people. Just thought i'd ask about this here. Does Kierkegaard, in Inconclusive Unscientific Postscript (if that's the correct translation to english), ever help the poor reader by defining when faith can be considered as such as opposed to one's "faith" being but folly? How to differentiate between faith and things like obsessions and empty beliefs etc?

If it's relevant or not, i might need to point out that i'm not asking this as a student of philosophy or anything like that, but as someone whose outlook in life has much akin with that of Kierkegaard's.

Answers on a PM to my inbox, please (for very obvious reasons).

Thank you for your time and attention,
dei

Posted: 22 Mar 2006, 19:06
by Badlander
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Philosophy forums are sooooooooo boring. They make loooooooooong posts. Every one of them is a freakin' essay.
To die in dream, dissolve and fade. :urff:

Posted: 22 Mar 2006, 19:08
by Ozpat
Badlander wrote:Image
Philosophy forums are sooooooooo boring. They make loooooooooong posts. Every one of them is a freakin' essay.
To die in dream, dissolve and fade. :urff:
Don't read 'em then. :wink:

Posted: 22 Mar 2006, 19:38
by nick the stripper
Badlander wrote:Image
Philosophy forums are sooooooooo boring. They make loooooooooong posts. Every one of them is a freakin' essay.
To die in dream, dissolve and fade. :urff:
Last time I was on a philosophy forum, this nut was telling me that I don’t exist.

@itnAklipse, I have no idea. What does Kierkegaard mean when he says faith exactly?

I haven’t paid much attention to Kierkegaard’s work yet. I got into existential philosophy around September time, when I found out that Jean-Paul Sartre and Nietzsche held a lot of the same beliefs as I was forming back then, when I renounced my faith and stopped believing in Gods and monsters, so I’ve mainly been reading their books.

Posted: 22 Mar 2006, 19:56
by boudicca
42:innocent:

I'll get me coat...

Posted: 22 Mar 2006, 19:59
by itnAklipse
Philosophy forums are the worst, i once tried to go to one but the people made no sense to me.

@Nick: Faith, as in subjectivity is truth and God...that one believes in his own vision of God.
Btw, Nietzsche is far from godless, and monsterless. Actually, he is much more "christian" (in a liberal kind of way, just remove christ from the equation) than...Spinoza haha...in a way that Sokrates was christian. Well that's how i understand Nietzsche anyway. Spinoza i don't understand at all. And it's terrible to talk about christianity when everyone confuses it with church and christ, that's why i'd never say i'm a christian.

42 is Satan. Take that any way you please. Just not that way.

Posted: 22 Mar 2006, 20:13
by Badlander
nick the stripper wrote: Last time I was on a philosophy forum, this nut was telling me that I don’t exist.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Sorry but I'm a sociologist and a political scientist, I use datas, quantitative and/or qualitative. Philosophy makes no sense to me. :urff:
Much less subtle is my trade.

Posted: 22 Mar 2006, 20:24
by EvilBastard
nick the stripper wrote:Last time I was on a philosophy forum, this nut was telling me that I don’t exist.
I gave up philosophy around the time it was posited that the only way to tell whether the cat was alive or dead was by opening the box. Given that the cat de jour weighed 23lb, slept 25 hours a day and could barely rouse himself from slumber to shuffle over to the bowl and pass out nose-deep in Whiskas, I figured this guy knew little about the species, and therefore I was going to give up on philosophy altogether. Although Nietsczhe had some great waistcoats.

Posted: 22 Mar 2006, 20:51
by Johnny M
EvilBastard wrote: Although Nietsczhe had some great waistcoats.
Von wrote:The Nazis did have the best uniforms ...
I suppose it's all relative. Unless you're a German tailor.

Posted: 22 Mar 2006, 21:03
by doc P
and who is Heidegger anyways :wink:

Posted: 22 Mar 2006, 21:14
by EvilBastard
doc P wrote:and who is Heidegger anyways :wink:
A boozy beggar, so it's said... :lol:

Posted: 23 Mar 2006, 00:39
by aims
:notworthy::lol::notworthy::lol::notworthy:

Shame they couldn't find something to rhyme with Kierkegaard, really ;)

FYI

Posted: 23 Mar 2006, 05:22
by GMC
EvilBastard wrote:
nick the stripper wrote:Last time I was on a philosophy forum, this nut was telling me that I don’t exist.
I gave up philosophy around the time it was posited that the only way to tell whether the cat was alive or dead was by opening the box. Given that the cat de jour weighed 23lb, slept 25 hours a day and could barely rouse himself from slumber to shuffle over to the bowl and pass out nose-deep in Whiskas, I figured this guy knew little about the species, and therefore I was going to give up on philosophy altogether. Although Nietsczhe had some great waistcoats.
My cat is named Schroedinger. Go Figure.

Kierkegaard's central insight (with historical perspective) was that it is not impossible to maintain -faith- in an existential/postmodern worldhistorical perspective. (Postmodernism being Existentialism with either a random obsession with the second world war or a random obsession with popular culture; in either case lacking any additional insight into anything whatsoever)

Therefoe, Kierkegaard was kind of neat, if you like faith. (And I do, despite having none)

Posted: 23 Mar 2006, 09:19
by paint it black
Motz wrote::notworthy::lol::notworthy::lol::notworthy:

Shame they couldn't find something to rhyme with Kierkegaard, really ;)
rear guard

this monkey's gone to heaven

Posted: 23 Mar 2006, 11:10
by markfiend
nick the stripper wrote:Last time I was on a philosophy forum, this nut was telling me that I don’t exist.
You'd have a hard time proving that you do exist. For all I know, you could be a figment of my imagination ;)

I don't know any Kierkegaard.

Posted: 23 Mar 2006, 12:11
by canon docre
markfiend wrote:
nick the stripper wrote:Last time I was on a philosophy forum, this nut was telling me that I don’t exist.
You'd have a hard time proving that you do exist. For all I know, you could be a figment of my imagination ;)
You're all figments of my imagination... so my doctor says.

Posted: 23 Mar 2006, 12:28
by Badlander
markfiend wrote:
nick the stripper wrote:Last time I was on a philosophy forum, this nut was telling me that I don’t exist.
You'd have a hard time proving that you do exist. For all I know, you could be a figment of my imagination ;)
Yeah but what's the point anyway ? Is knowing whether you do exist or not going to make you feel any better ? :innocent:
Philosophy... :roll: :lol: 8)

BTW Descartes kinda proved he existed. That's about all I know ! ;D

Posted: 23 Mar 2006, 12:38
by Johnny M
canon docre wrote: You're all figments of my imagination...
Some figments are more real and irritating than others no doubt ... ;D

Posted: 23 Mar 2006, 16:09
by Jaimie1980
EvilBastard wrote:
nick the stripper wrote:Last time I was on a philosophy forum, this nut was telling me that I don’t exist.
I gave up philosophy around the time it was posited that the only way to tell whether the cat was alive or dead was by opening the box. Given that the cat de jour weighed 23lb, slept 25 hours a day and could barely rouse himself from slumber to shuffle over to the bowl and pass out nose-deep in Whiskas, I figured this guy knew little about the species, and therefore I was going to give up on philosophy altogether. Although Nietsczhe had some great waistcoats.
...and a brilliant 'tache. :notworthy:

Posted: 23 Mar 2006, 16:10
by doc P
Johnny M wrote:Some figments are more real and irritating than others no doubt ... ;D
and someone famous or something sang" some girls are bigger than others :innocent:

Posted: 23 Mar 2006, 16:16
by davedecay
you're all a pigment of my stagnation.

Posted: 23 Mar 2006, 16:58
by timsinister
Canon_Docre, could you imagine me a bit taller, with darker hair, and a winning smile instead of a gap-tooth grin?

Cheers.

Posted: 23 Mar 2006, 17:19
by Badlander
timsinister wrote:Canon_Docre, could you imagine me a bit taller, with darker hair, and a winning smile instead of a gap-tooth grin?

Cheers.
:lol: :notworthy: :lol: :notworthy: :lol: :notworthy:

Posted: 23 Mar 2006, 18:20
by canon docre
timsinister wrote:Canon_Docre, could you imagine me a bit taller, with darker hair, and a winning smile instead of a gap-tooth grin?

Cheers.
ok, his position is currently available in my cerebral matter...

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