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Posted: **30 Mar 2006, 14:54**

Some time ago I downloaded the song Behind The Door (peel session) from the internet and just loved it. Actually I became fond of all the songs from that session. "Just A Feeling" version of No Time To Cry was cool

Today I heard the Poison Door version featured on Walk Away 12". How can this be this lame ?!?!? I miss the peel session bassline the most. Now this is just sleepy and sucks...

I wonder why they left out the ass kicking bassline and just screwed the whole thing up.

What are your thoughts on the comparison of the two ?

Posted: **30 Mar 2006, 15:11**

I also prefer the Peel one but certainly don't regard the official release as being screwed up.
Maybe partly because I heard the official one first and liked it.

Posted: **30 Mar 2006, 16:59**

I prefer the Ghost Dance version, but you all know that

Posted: **30 Mar 2006, 17:12**

I love this song anyway except for one detail : the lack of a proper intro. In that sense the Ghost Dance version does retain a slight edge.
Apart from the rather heavy distorsion on the Peel session version, how are the bass lines different ?

Here are my fave lines from that song :

"Behind the door
The poison door
The puppets dance on a burning floor
Like dying flames
Behind the door
Shoot me down again"

Utterly brilliant.

Posted: **30 Mar 2006, 18:16**

like ozpat i heard the official one first and don't find it lame; although i love the piano part at the end of the session version.

Posted: **30 Mar 2006, 19:04**

I've not heard the Peel Session. I'm waiting for a vinyl bootleg of it (Radioland, Psychedelic Sessions and the latter's many low-quality repressings, IIRC, have the sessions on).

Posted: **30 Mar 2006, 21:38**

It's like Body and Soul - recorded and mixed in the studio, it just sounds too polished and just sucks the proverbial.....

But Live -

WOW!

It kicks the proverbial......

(or maybe it's because there's no tape hiss or feedback

)

Posted: **30 Mar 2006, 22:17**

Have to say that I FAR prefer the "Walk Away" version of Poison Door; a fantastic example of 84 Sisters at their peak, and a path I wish they'd trodden further.

I always thought the Peel Sesh version souned weak in comparison??!!! The bass may have been more prominent, but I always felt the performance lacked something when compared to the official version.

Never actually heard the Ghosties version - how close does it stay to the original?

Posted: **30 Mar 2006, 22:56**

you mean apart from the fact that it's got a bird singing?

Posted: **30 Mar 2006, 23:53**

eastmidswhizzkid wrote:you mean apart from the fact that it's got a bird singing?

....erm.... well I'd never have thought that Marx & Co would have resorted to using our avian friends for vocal duties!!! Was it a small, bush dwelling bird (ie. a finch / tit of some kind) or something bigger and scarier, like a Buzzard?

Nope, whaaatt Oi mean waaaaaaaaz (said in best Cornish accent).... did they stick to the orignal lyrics / tune / arrangement kinda thingy? I've heard what they did to "(when ) Spirits (fly)" and loved it, just wondered if they did a similar thingy to PD!

Posted: **31 Mar 2006, 00:22**

Muppet wrote: Nope, whaaatt Oi mean waaaaaaaaz (said in best Cornish accent).... did they stick to the orignal lyrics / tune / arrangement kinda thingy? I've heard what they did to "(when ) Spirits (fly)" and loved it, just wondered if they did a similar thingy to PD!

They pretty much sticked to the original. It's a Gary Marx song anyway, so you can hardly call that a cover. The main difference (well apart from the voice itself) is the intro, where Ann Marie starts a cappella and then the music kicks in.
As for the rest, not being a musician I can't really go into details. It sounds pretty much the same to me.

Posted: **31 Mar 2006, 00:57**

Muppet wrote:
eastmidswhizzkid wrote:you mean apart from the fact that it's got a bird singing?
....erm.... well I'd never have thought that Marx & Co would have resorted to using our avian friends for vocal duties!!! Was it a small, bush dwelling bird (ie. a finch / tit of some kind) or something bigger and scarier, like a Buzzard?

it was a greater-crested hurst-warbler...lovely plumage.

Posted: **31 Mar 2006, 08:51**

eastmidswhizzkid wrote: it was a greater-crested hurst-warbler...lovely plumage.

Conjoured up a lovely image for a friday morn!

Posted: **31 Mar 2006, 10:39**

Dark wrote:I've not heard the Peel Session. I'm waiting for a vinyl bootleg of it (Radioland, Psychedelic Sessions and the latter's many low-quality repressings, IIRC, have the sessions on).

Quiff boy very kindly weeded the BBC digital radio broadcast, from a couple of years ago. Super top notch sound quality, for anyone that hadn't noticed it in the weeding section.

Posted: **31 Mar 2006, 10:59**

Badlander wrote:
Here are my fave lines from that song :

"Behind the door
The poison door
The puppets dance on a burning floor
Like dying flames
Behind the door
Shoot me down again"

Utterly brilliant.

Pardon me in advance for being controversial, but COME ON !!! Those are surely amongst the weakest, and corniest, lyrics Von has ever written. I mean, puppets dancing on a (burning) floor, behind a door, looking like flames

No !!! What's that all about? I'm almost tempted to conjecture that a certain Mr Hussey had a hand in them, so utterly Mession-esque are they in their badness...

As I said, pardon me ...

Posted: **31 Mar 2006, 11:05**

MrChris wrote: Pardon me in advance for being controversial, but COME ON !!! Those are surely amongst the weakest, and corniest, lyrics Von has ever written. I mean, puppets dancing on a (burning) floor, behind a door, looking like flames No !!! What's that all about? I'm almost tempted to conjecture that a certain Mr Hussey had a hand in them, so utterly Mession-esque are they in their badness...

As I said, pardon me ...

No problemo. I don't see much point for debate anyway : I like it and you don't. Hard to build a consensus on such ground. We might just as well leave it at that.

Posted: **31 Mar 2006, 11:11**

MrChris wrote:
Badlander wrote:
Here are my fave lines from that song :

"Behind the door
The poison door
The puppets dance on a burning floor
Like dying flames
Behind the door
Shoot me down again"

Utterly brilliant.
Pardon me in advance for being controversial, but COME ON !!! Those are surely amongst the weakest, and corniest, lyrics Von has ever written. I mean, puppets dancing on a (burning) floor, behind a door, looking like flames No !!! What's that all about? I'm almost tempted to conjecture that a certain Mr Hussey had a hand in them, so utterly Mession-esque are they in their badness...

As I said, pardon me ...

They were written by a certain Mr Marx

Posted: **31 Mar 2006, 11:35**

i love every incarnation of this song*

*big surprise, hmmm?

Posted: **31 Mar 2006, 13:16**

hallucienate wrote: They were written by a certain Mr Marx

Which is certainly why it never got played live. Well, apart from the Peel session.

Posted: **31 Mar 2006, 16:05**

hallucienate wrote:
MrChris wrote:
Badlander wrote:

They were written by a certain Mr Marx
That explains a lot - I was pretty sure Von would never write such arse-dribble...

Posted: **31 Mar 2006, 19:13**

I haven't heard the Ghost Dance version, anyone care to hook me up?

Posted: **31 Mar 2006, 19:29**

No need to insult Gary Marx. He's a brilliant guy, and I won't hear a word against Ghost Dance's live version of Poison Door, which you can download here.

The original version is on the Wide Receiver TSOM bootleg.

Posted: **31 Mar 2006, 19:34**

Dark wrote:No need to insult Gary Marx. He's a brilliant guy, and I won't hear a word against Ghost Dance's live version of Poison Door, which you can download here.

The original version is on the Wide Receiver TSOM bootleg.

You can always tell when it's Mr Marx on the guitar - sublime!

Nice one, seeing as i've mislayed mine somewhere

Think i'll upload it to a certain yahoo website

Posted: **31 Mar 2006, 20:57**

Big Si wrote: You can always tell when it's Mr Marx on the guitar - sublime!

Oh yeah. Someone said the other day that Gary was the best guitarist the Sissies have ever had. From a technical point of view, I can't say. But he has two "little things" that the other don't have : style and attitude.

Posted: **31 Mar 2006, 21:12**

Badlander wrote:
Big Si wrote: You can always tell when it's Mr Marx on the guitar - sublime!
Oh yeah. Someone said the other day that Gary was the best guitarist the Sissies have ever had. From a technical point of view, I can't say. But he has two "little things" that the other don't have : style and attitude.

Just look at the music he wrote!

The 'better' half of the album First and Last and Always, for starters!

Although i'm also very partial to the live sound of Bricheno, Bruhn and James. Looking forward to hearing Ben and Robo!

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Behind The Door vs Poison Door

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