Wayne's first gig with The Sisters?

04 Apr 2006, 15:14

anyone know which gig was wayne's first gig with the sisters?

it looks like it would have been on the "tune in turn on burn out" tour - beginning april 1984:

http://www.thesistersofmercy.com/gen/gigog/gigog.htm

Johnny M · 04 Apr 2006, 15:21

Birmingham? I'm sure Von introduces him onstage with something like "this is Wayne, he's our new guitarist ...he's great."

I'n not anorak enough to go and check ...

04 Apr 2006, 15:23

could be

07 Apr 1984 Birmingham, England Tin Can Ballroom
11 Apr 1984 Boston, USA Spit Club
12 Apr 1984 Philadelphia, USA East Side
13 Apr 1984 New York City, USA Danceteria
14 Apr 1984 Trenton, USA City Gardens
15 Apr 1984 Chicago, USA Exit Club
16 Apr 1984 Detroit, USA St Andrew's Hall
02 May 1984 Nottingham, England Rock City
03 May 1984 Middlesbrough, England Town Hall
04 May 1984 Manchester, England Manchester University
05 May 1984 Leeds, England Leeds University
08 May 1984 Sheffield, England Sheffield University
11 May 1984 Liverpool, England Liverpool University
12 May 1984 Glasgow, Scotland Strathclyde University
14 May 1984 Norwich, England University of East Anglia
15 May 1984 Bradford, England Bradford University
16 May 1984 Loughborough, England Loughborough University
17 May 1984 Coventry, England Polytechnic
18 May 1984 Oxford, England College of Education
19 May 1984 Bristol, England Trinity Hall
21 May 1984 Plymouth, England Top Rank
23 May 1984 Birmingham, England Tin Can Ballroom
24 May 1984 London, England Electric Ballroom
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davedecay · 04 Apr 2006, 15:31

i think i've got it on a spreadsheet at home, will check much later tonite.

from this link,
http://www.merciless.net/article.php?sid=1
it looks like April 1984.

(Jerry Lovelock?)

Johnny M · 04 Apr 2006, 15:33

Ok, maybe I am anorak enough ...

Just listened. He deffo plays on 07 April 1984, Tin Can Ballroom, Birmingham. During the tune-up to Walkaway he throws some typical Hussey riffs to which Von responds " ...this is Wayne! ... he's very good ..."

radiojamaica · 04 Apr 2006, 15:34

Johnny M wrote:Birmingham? I'm sure Von introduces him onstage with something like "this is Wayne, he's our new guitarist ...he's great."

I'n not anorak enough to go and check ...

same here...

It is true though: Birmingham, Tin Can, 7/4/84. Wayne's a real man now

04 Apr 2006, 15:41

cheers guys

oh, and so it seems like the merciless.net site is still there in part! it must be only the front page and one or two other sections that have been been "defaced" and replaced by a hacker's message

nice work

eastmidswhizzkid · 04 Apr 2006, 16:18

Johnny M wrote:Ok, maybe I am anorak enough ...

Just listened. He deffo plays on 07 April 1984, Tin Can Ballroom, Birmingham. During the tune-up to Walkaway he throws some typical Hussey riffs to which Von responds " ...this is Wayne! ... he's very good ..."

that's what i was going to say too.

Johnny M · 04 Apr 2006, 16:24

eastmidswhizzkid wrote:
Johnny M wrote:Ok, maybe I am anorak enough ...

Just listened. He deffo plays on 07 April 1984, Tin Can Ballroom, Birmingham. During the tune-up to Walkaway he throws some typical Hussey riffs to which Von responds " ...this is Wayne! ... he's very good ..."
that's what i was going to say too.

His'n'His matching anoraks ..?

paint it black · 04 Apr 2006, 16:35

tin can was a free fan club only gig to specially introduce wayne. i have interviews and press releases

i'll get my coat and my lemon tea

Badlander · 04 Apr 2006, 16:44

Quiff Boy wrote: it looks like it would have been on the "tune in turn on burn out" tour - beginning april 1984:

Wasn't the "Tune In Turn On Burn Out" tour the first half of the 85 gigs ?

That's how I've always understood it...

http://db.tsom.org/tours/index.html

EDIT : Checked Sisters wiki. Looks like I'm right.

Johnny M · 04 Apr 2006, 16:51

Badlander wrote: Wasn't the "Tune In Turn On Burn Out" tour the first half of the 85 gigs ?

Also my understanding. Early 84 gigs didn't have a tour name until Black October kicked in, methinks.

04 Apr 2006, 17:36

"Tune In Turn On Burn Out"

yep, sorry. i mis-read the light-red stripe down the righthand side of the official gigography

light-red on mid-red is not that easy on the eye

Dark · 04 Apr 2006, 17:39

According to www.darkalice.de there's a bootleg LP called "Razor Shock", on "Clesorecords" from that Tin Can gig at Birmingham, which was the first public gig with Wayne and the first performances of Walk Away, Body And Soul and Train.

Dan · 04 Apr 2006, 17:44

Yep, Birmingham 7.4.84.
I always thought the gig was at 'Birmingham Fantasy Club', then someone told me that Fantasy Club was a part of Tin Can.

Also interesting to note is that I was told the previous 2 gigs (29 & 31.10.83) were played as a 3-piece without Ben Gunn, him having played his last gig in Stockholm 26.10.83. Can anyone confirm?

mugabe · 04 Apr 2006, 17:59

Dan wrote:Yep, Birmingham 7.4.84.
I always thought the gig was at 'Birmingham Fantasy Club', then someone told me that Fantasy Club was a part of Tin Can.

Also interesting to note is that I was told the previous 2 gigs (29 & 31.10.83) were played as a 3-piece without Ben Gunn, him having played his last gig in Stockholm 26.10.83. Can anyone confirm?

On the Stockholm '83 recording Eldritch says "We have a new guitarist but he couldn't be with us tonight, so the next time you see us we'll be four people" (off the top of my head).

Badlander · 04 Apr 2006, 18:47

mugabe wrote: On the Stockholm '83 recording Eldritch says "We have a new guitarist but he couldn't be with us tonight, so the next time you see us we'll be four people" (off the top of my head).

More on this gig : clicky.

Dan · 04 Apr 2006, 19:18

Badlander wrote:
mugabe wrote: On the Stockholm '83 recording Eldritch says "We have a new guitarist but he couldn't be with us tonight, so the next time you see us we'll be four people" (off the top of my head).
More on this gig : clicky.

Interesting, I'd not read that before. I guess that casts some doubt about the date of the Stockholm tape then.

I personally think such items as a complete New York 13-4-84 tape and the Stuttgart Maxim 12-11-84 video are harder to find.

Does that mean someone has a complete New York 13-4-84? As far as I know all people have are 3 songs.

mugabe · 04 Apr 2006, 19:28

I got this from an acquaintance of mine who had been trading with the original taper (and Clif got it from a guy I sent it to), and who presented me with it, saying "You might like this. Most people don't even know they played there at that time". Also, members of the audience are mocking Eldritch's appearance in Swedish - "Hehe...LÃ¤derlappen..." (Swedish for Batman), which would be rather weird for a gig outside of Sweden.

In short, I'd go with Clif's saying it's a November date, in Stockholm.

6FeetOver · 04 Apr 2006, 19:30

Quiff Boy wrote:15 Apr 1984 Chicago, USA Exit Club

*Faints*

Johnny M · 04 Apr 2006, 19:44

Dan wrote:
I personally think such items as a complete New York 13-4-84 tape and the Stuttgart Maxim 12-11-84 video are harder to find.
Does that mean someone has a complete New York 13-4-84? As far as I know all people have are 3 songs.

Does not the fact that three songs were taped suggest the entire gig was taped? I can't quite get my head around someone only taping three songs.

Unless it was all taped and one of those unfortunate tape accidents happened and the rest of the set was destroyed?

But in either scenario you would have thought it would have been common knowledge by now from whoever initially released the three songs into circulation?

a) I have the complete gig and I'm only releasing three songs. And jerking off as I listen to the rest.
b) I only taped three songs because I'm an idiot.
c) Yes I taped the entire gig but the rest of the set was lost/destroyed/chewed up shortly afterwards.

Dan · 04 Apr 2006, 20:41

Of course I meant "in circulation". Obviously they taped it all. What I emant was I've never even heard a rumour of anyone knowing anyone who has a full version of this.
The reason there's so few songs circulating is because 2 songs were released on a bootleg single, then much later another song turned up on a cassette compilation made by the owner of a certain basement shop in Leeds. The date & venue wasn't mentioned on the tape but I when I asked I was told it was N.Y. (I only have his word that it was from N.Y., but he knew his stuff). I probably asked if he had the full gig and probably got an enigmatic reply, I can't remember.

And going back to that webpage that says they doubt the date of the Stockholm tape on the basis that Eldo mentions the new guitarist isn't with them yet, but says nothing at the U.S. gigs a few days later. It's more likely that if the Stockholm gig was a small gig attended by many close friends and fanclub members, that Eldo felt the need to tell them this information, whereas he didn't think it worth bothering telling the people at the U.S. gigs.

paint it black · 04 Apr 2006, 21:15

andy r. told me one time it was a freebie paid for by the record company, or some such i forget now. will search my archives

a fanzine interview still has Ben being in the band in Europe, then states as a postscript that Ben had left at the end of the September US tour and they only had a couple of West coast dates to go.

So possibly, east coast tour - record company stockholm gig - back out to west coast?

where is the good doctor btw

taylor · 04 Apr 2006, 23:28

>Of course I meant "in circulation". Obviously they taped it all. What I emant >was I've never even heard a rumour of anyone knowing anyone who has a >full version of this.

Long time ago I come across with the Germany guy that got the full length tape (he was a maker of the Acid Rain lp) but no chance to get a copy. Now the tape is still in Germany in some warehouse below a wine box. the sister ray 7 inch come from same land & source tape

Johnny M · 04 Apr 2006, 23:38

Thank you Luca. As long as we know it exists. Somewhere.