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New Nephilim Forum

Posted: 07 Aug 2006, 10:17
by TheBoyNextDoor
Hi there fellow Heartlanders!

I just want to make sure that it's not my intention to steal people from this forum or something like that. I just want you to know I've been making I new forum for the Nephilim and their sideprojects.

http://www.imaginarywalls.com/forum

Reason for making this forum is mostly to complete a course in "publication on the web" that I've been studying this summer. I'll check how things go and if there's enough interest I'll buy a new web hotel and then move it there (like http://www.dawnrazor.com).

Please send your comments and suggestions to me, that will be much appreciated (I need that for my evaluation for the course).

Thanks,
Johan

EDIT: I've bought a new domain name for the forum: http://www.dawnrazor.co.uk - but we're still on the same server, only a bit more easy to remember.

Posted: 07 Aug 2006, 10:47
by Quiff Boy
cool!

some things to consider:

1) get a unique selling point

there are already 2 neff mailing lists that i know of - sumerland and psychonaut (clicky) - you need your site to offer something different - something more - than the rest.

from day one i conceived heartland as filling a very different remit from the officially endorsed dominion mailing list

not just was the medium different (bulletin board rather than email list), i also wanted the message to be different: at the time i started this place dominion was not in good way. the sisters themselves were going through one of their quiet spells, and consequently the list was pretty quiet. this situation was not helped by the fact that friendly banter was discouraged by some of the list "elders", and flame wars were an everyday occurrence. frankly, it was a bit of a state. i figured there was a gap in the market for a place that sisters fans could come and just "hang about", discussing the band as and when it seemed appropriate, and chatting about everything else the rest of the time.

have a look at the other neff-related sites out there and make sure you find something unique to offer.

2) market yourself

no one is going to hang around a place with only 3 members. you need to get your site know. a decent url helps, as does google.

if you aren't already a member, join those other neff lists and hang about a bit. get yourself known before you start plugging your wares there, or you'll probably not get too good a reaction..

however, hanging around there a bit will give you a better feel for what that gap in the market i mentioned i point 1 actually is.

if you also contribute to their discussions your own attempts at starting a community are more likely to be accepted.

3) professionalism

the site has to look professional, and you should treat it in a professional manner - otherwise it will look like someone's hobby site, and will probably descend into cliquey "mates" banter before you know it. and that's not going to appeal to new members.

that's not to say you should be deadly serious about the whole thing - a sense of humour goes a long way - its just that you should remember that you're doing something for potentially a lot of people you don't know, and they are going to judge the place by how you run it. and your way of handling the admin side of stuff will generally dictate the tone of the place.

4) be unbiased in your moderation

always a sensitive one this, but its crucial you set the right tone

you're going to get some people who will cause trouble. some of them might even be your mates. it's a fact of life i'm afraid. another fact of life is that you are going to have to be prepared to give them a bit of a ticking off from time to time... or at the very least you're going to have to goive them a gentle reminder of where they are, and rein them in from time to time :roll:

if you don't, two things will happen: 1) they will get worse, and 2) others will see it as favouritism, and that way cliqueyness beckons... :o

my own approach is to nip trouble in the bud quickly. i hope that i am seen as fair and consistent in my approach, but i know that's not always possible. however, wherever you can you should remember that just because person a is your mate it doesn't mean they might not be a pain in the arse, and that person b might not be an innocent victim of person a's general twattery ;)

above all else, have fun with it! if it takes off its well worth it :D :notworthy:

i was an avid sisters geek before i even started this place, but my geekery has increased tenfold, as has my sisters "general knowledge"... and we don't even talk about my ever-increasing collection of sisters fanboi tat :lol: :oops:

and good luck :D

Posted: 07 Aug 2006, 10:56
by Quiff Boy
oh, and a couple of other tips

1) disable "guest" posting (via admin --> forum --> permissions)

ensure your forums permissions are set to "registered" at the very least, otherwise your forum will get spammed something rotten by anonymous "guest" bots

2) activate "user authentication" registrations (via admin --> general --> config)

forces them to activate their account after creation, and ensures people use valid email addresses. otherwise you will get dozens of "bot" registrations

i've also found it prudent to ban russian email addresses, as we get a hell of a lot of bot registrations using .ru addresses

.info addresses are also a pain in the arse :urff:

Posted: 07 Aug 2006, 11:20
by Pista
I tried to register, but exceeded my number of attempts due to getting the confirmation code wrong 3 or 4 times.
I'm not blind, so what's the problem?
Is it case sensitive?

Posted: 07 Aug 2006, 11:22
by TheBoyNextDoor
Thanks a whole bunch Quiff Boy! :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:

I take all this into consideration and start by doing this: 2) activate "user authentication" registrations (via admin --> general --> config) since I don't want to get spammed.

As you mention above, you were a Sisters geek before and then tenfold and learned a lot, that's actually one of the reasons I wanted to start the forum: to learn more about the Nephilim. And why read in books (i.e. on internet) when you learn better by discussing. :)

And I am considering to buy me domain, like I said, Dawnrazor - something a bit more attainable then it is now.

Thanks for the links to the mailinglists. I'm actually in the Sumerland mailing-list but haven't got a single mail in two months, and there's a lot of news out there just waiting to be covered (like the gigs popping up since three-four months back). I want it to be like it is here, nothing about the Sisters goes un-mentioned. ;)

I'm also member of a forum
here, if you read on the first page there you see that he seeks someone who can manage phpBB.. I contacted him month ago offering my service but no answer, sent him a mail yesterday with a link to my forum.. I think it's stupid to have two forums and his ain't very nice and not very attainable I think, so I thought we should merge them together... but since he hasn't updated his site since December I don't know if he moderats the site at all anymore. :?

I'll check out the Psychonaut mailing-list and will wait a couple of weeks for the right moment to burst out: "Ohh.. and check this one out".. ;D

You are very right about the Dominion mailing-list, and that's why I'm not with them anymore. Maybe it's the same problems with Psychonaut... (and honestly, mailing-lists are fairly passé). :P

Posted: 07 Aug 2006, 11:29
by TheBoyNextDoor
Pista wrote:I tried to register, but exceeded my number of attempts due to getting the confirmation code wrong 3 or 4 times.
I'm not blind, so what's the problem?
Is it case sensitive?
Yes, it is case sensitive.
Is it possible for you to try again?

Posted: 07 Aug 2006, 11:30
by Quiff Boy
:D

2 sites serving a similar audience can work - though helps if they have a slightly different userbase

take HL and the poison door forums for example.

PD is a german-language forum, and thus has a very specific audience. HL is english language, and thus a slightly wider audience (:P) - we do however have some cross-pollination of members & discussions, and in that way i think we work together well... 8)

Posted: 07 Aug 2006, 11:41
by TheBoyNextDoor
Quiff Boy wrote::D

2 sites serving a similar audience can work - though helps if they have a slightly different userbase

take HL and the poison door forums for example.

PD is a german-language forum, and thus has a very specific audience. HL is english language, and thus a slightly wider audience (:P) - we do however have some cross-pollination of members & discussions, and in that way i think we work together well... 8)
Yes, I understand what you mean. I use to sneak into PD once and a while, I feel like a spy though. :lol: And I don't understand german. :D

Posted: 07 Aug 2006, 16:46
by eotunun
TheBoyNextDoor wrote:
Quiff Boy wrote::D

2 sites serving a similar audience can work - though helps if they have a slightly different userbase

take HL and the poison door forums for example.

PD is a german-language forum, and thus has a very specific audience. HL is english language, and thus a slightly wider audience (:P) - we do however have some cross-pollination of members & discussions, and in that way i think we work together well... 8)
Yes, I understand what you mean. I use to sneak into PD once and a while, I feel like a spy though. :lol: And I don't understand german. :D
Well, that must bore you to death then..
And there is that new french Sissies-forum. (Christophe runs it if I´m not mistaken?) What may be helpfull, too, would be a site to link the various shards of the Sissies fancommunity together (like Dominon has actually been doing for most of the time).
As the number of people who remember the Sisters seems to have risen strongly after the silver bullet tour I feel the once globaly present Dominion mailing list is now deteriorated into a playground for egomanic teenage riots. It doesn´t seem to make sense posting anything sensible there anymore, as the sensible replies will drown in the hippish hoppish blurp. That banter just isn´t worth being spread worlwide..
Furthermore the growing number of subscribers tend to retreat to forums that utilize their native language which gain their own momentum, thus the once globalized comunity falls into pieces that hardly comunicate. Which is a pitty.
I think an infoboard for fans from all parts of the community may be helpfull to keep this global connection up. This wouldn´t be a place for making friends or have fun, which is what the forums are there for.
But I think it would be quite usefull. I thought about starting somthing like this, but as my knowledge of computing is lightyears away from the skills required for this task (Last time I wrote a program it was on a Commodore 64), maybe somebody else thinks of it as worthwile?
Just an Idea.. :wink:
P.S.: Ich bin ein Heartlander, und ein Poison Doorler, und ein Dominonite. In that order.

Posted: 07 Aug 2006, 16:52
by Planet Dave
Individual angle - virtual flour?

Posted: 07 Aug 2006, 16:54
by weebleswobble
Planet Dave wrote:Individual angle - virtual flour?
:lol: :lol: :notworthy: :lol: :lol:

Posted: 07 Aug 2006, 18:55
by James Blast
QB's Ghost Dance Forum is a nice small community, but then again, maybe that's down to his calming overview.

@ Herr Planet Image :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :notworthy:

Posted: 07 Aug 2006, 19:45
by canon docre
@TheBoyND: just try to hold the Crowlians on a short lead. :wink:

Posted: 07 Aug 2006, 19:47
by wild bill buttock
Splendid idea.
Wil register when I have 5 mins.
I occasionally use The old the new and the nephilim forum http://p216.ezboard.com/bthenewtheoldandthenephilim but it is a little quiet to say the least and they seem to speak a rather bizarre language I don't understand.

Posted: 07 Aug 2006, 19:59
by Big Si
:notworthy: :D

Posted: 07 Aug 2006, 20:10
by James Blast
I'm in!


May Gawd help you all :evil:

Posted: 07 Aug 2006, 20:51
by scotty
Me tae anaw!!

Posted: 07 Aug 2006, 20:52
by scotty
I was member......................13 :eek: :lol:

"Number 13 I feel like you sometimes, Like I don't fit in"

Posted: 07 Aug 2006, 22:07
by Big Si
scotty wrote:I was member......................13 :eek: :lol:

"Number 13 I feel like you sometimes, Like I don't fit in"
Top Poster :oops:

Posted: 07 Aug 2006, 23:56
by mh
I'm in too!

Posted: 08 Aug 2006, 00:57
by TheBoyNextDoor
Thanks a lot guys for register to this, as of yet, rather small forum! :)

I've seen there been some requests tonight and I'll sort that out tomorrow. :D

Posted: 08 Aug 2006, 12:02
by Dark
Quiff Boy wrote:i've also found it prudent to ban russian email addresses, as we get a hell of a lot of bot registrations using .ru addresses
So that's why we don't see any Russian Heartlanders. :lol:

Posted: 08 Aug 2006, 14:40
by kazamel
Tip 1: Decide on the level of moderation you want

Example: I'm on a car forum as well, and they keep a strict policy on having 1 thread on 1 topic (for instance only 1 thread on the new Honda Legend or whatever), whereas Heartland, well, is moderated differently :innocent:

Depends how "informational" your forum should become, and the resource you have to moderate. How much time can you spend on it and how many reliable friends/members can you hire to imply your guidelines to the forum.


Tip 2: Add a 'Report' button to the posts

Other members can use this to report unwanted content, making your life as a moderator a bit easier.


Tip 3: Get a reliable host

Not the most prominent issue, but the more members, the more bandwidth, the more server space. And you don't want your forum to be down 5 days a month.


Good luck and... you'd better get that url soon!

Posted: 08 Aug 2006, 14:50
by Quiff Boy
^ absolutely :notworthy:

Posted: 09 Aug 2006, 01:51
by weebleswobble
Oh Fek-can you change my weebleswooble to weebleswobble :oops: