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...that's just gibberish, even for Uncyclopedia's standards..

Either way, start runnin', Jay.

Dark wrote:...that's just gibberish, even for Uncyclopedia's standards..

Either way, start runnin', Jay.

Excuse me

For the definition of industrial music, see Throbbing Gristle.

nick the stripper wrote:For the definition of industrial music, see Throbbing Gristle.

Bollocks! see Test Department and SPK, TG may have coined the term but they were just a bad band who made bad noises. Talentless arses like Whiehouse and Boyd Rice followed in their wake, it's an ArtWank and I detest such things.

I'd of thought in laymans terms , Industrial Music would be just that ; Industrial. All clanky and buzzy noises ; Things sounding like angle grinders and stuff being hit with hammers..like sheet metal ( as opposed to the Darkness who are s**t metal). Like a more angry version of electronic pop (Erasure, Pet shop boys)

But I reckon when people started using sequencers and samples more the term Industrial music enveloped acts like NIN and Front 242, but that may of just been down to lazy journalists obsessed with pidgeon holing ( which sounds illegal) bands.

Although I have been known to be wrong, frequently so I'm told.

Ramone wrote:I'd of thought in laymans terms , Industrial Music would be just that ; Industrial. All clanky and buzzy noises ; Things sounding like angle grinders and stuff being hit with hammers..like sheet metal ( as opposed to the Darkness who are s**t metal). Like a more angry version of electronic pop (Erasure, Pet shop boys)

But I reckon when people started using sequencers and samples more the term Industrial music enveloped acts like NIN and Front 242, but that may of just been down to lazy journalists obsessed with pidgeon holing ( which sounds illegal) bands.

Although I have been known to be wrong, frequently so I'm told.

I think you just told the whole story quite clearly.

AFAIK in the late 70s-early 80s industrial was supposed to be the exact opposite of the rock & roll clichés. No structure, no rules, no hype, etc. Take the spirit of 77 punk and use a driller or a chainsaw instead of guitars. In that respect, "metal-indus" simply is a contradiction, a form of counter-revolution : some very conventional unconventionalism.

And like Herr Blast says : Throbbing Gristle may have invented the term, but sometimes they were just so unbelievably boring...

According to Wikipedia, Throbbin' did not invent the term, it was just a term"to describe the then-unique sound of Industrial Records artists".

Still according to the Wiki, Industrial comprises EBM acts as well as Rock acts, avant-garde artists and pure noise projects.

So, the term 'Industrial' is as useless as the term 'Goth'.

You can talk about Industrial Rock, maybe, even about Industrial Noise or Industrial Electro, but there is nothing like 'Industrial music'.

IZ.

Izzy HaveMercy wrote:Still according to the Wiki, Industrial comprises EBM acts as well as Rock acts, avant-garde artists and pure noise projects.

So, the term 'Industrial' is as useless as the term 'Goth'.

Hey, that works fine for me.

Izzy HaveMercy wrote: So, the term 'Industrial' is as useless as the term 'Goth'.

From a mere historical point of view, not quite so. The term "goth" was never used by the "goth" originals AFAIK. The term "industrial" was used by those early industrial acts. So there is an industrial genre, even if it has been largely perverted.
But I guess I'm just being picky.

Badlander wrote:The term "goth" was never used by the "goth" originals AFAIK. The term "industrial" was used by those early industrial acts.

Maybe not 'used' as such, but the early bands used imagery and plucked songtitles and bandnames off old 'gothic-age' films, actors and novels. Their fans started adopting the 'horror' themes in clothing and make-up. All more tongue-in-cheek references, but the culture started to become Goth(ic). Maybe they did not call themselves Goths ot Gothic, but they used all the imagery and even the adjective all the time.

If it quacks like a duck, flies like a duck and can be shot with a two-barrel shotgun like a duck... it IS a duck

IZ.

Izzy HaveMercy wrote: If it quacks like a duck, flies like a duck and can be shot with a two-barrel shotgun like a duck... it IS a duck

Or a witch.

Two albums from 1973 that could be classed (in parts) as Industrial

My 'Tapes' came with the Briget Riley cover and cost 48p. I was still overcharged. Melted the album, kept the sleeve.

What the.....

For me, it's Faust's best album - and yes, mine came with the same sleeve and cost 48p as well

Bunch of Arse! Dave sorry

S'Ok, I guess I'm fond of it because I'd dropped a particularly nice tab of Sunshine Superman and let the stylus hit the groove just as I was turning on.....

Bloodie Olde Hippye!

You're becoming predictable - that's just what I expected you to say

Izzy HaveMercy wrote:

Badlander wrote:The term "goth" was never used by the "goth" originals AFAIK. The term "industrial" was used by those early industrial acts.

Maybe not 'used' as such, but the early bands used imagery and plucked songtitles and bandnames off old 'gothic-age' films, actors and novels. Their fans started adopting the 'horror' themes in clothing and make-up. All more tongue-in-cheek references, but the culture started to become Goth(ic). Maybe they did not call themselves Goths ot Gothic, but they used all the imagery and even the adjective all the time.

Well UK Decay definitely used the term back in 79 or 80, when they were doing stuff like The Black Cat. Ian Astbury has also claimed responsibility for it at one point, and Joy Division were fairly routinely described as "gothic". I'm not sure about Ian, but I'd hazard a guess that Barney would have liked that and played up to it if circumstances had been different.

Izzy HaveMercy wrote:If it quacks like a duck, flies like a duck and can be shot with a two-barrel shotgun like a duck... it IS a duck

IZ.

Or a Wascally Wabbit!!!

Ramone wrote:I'd of thought in laymans terms , Industrial Music would be just that ; Industrial. All clanky and buzzy noises ; Things sounding like angle grinders and stuff being hit with hammers..like sheet metal ( as opposed to the Darkness who are s**t metal). Like a more angry version of electronic pop (Erasure, Pet shop boys)

But I reckon when people started using sequencers and samples more the term Industrial music enveloped acts like NIN and Front 242, but that may of just been down to lazy journalists obsessed with pidgeon holing ( which sounds illegal) bands.

Although I have been known to be wrong, frequently so I'm told.

I've got your Industrial Muzak right here Ramone > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on8AChpwk30

It was just a matter of time until a thread about industrial music was turned into a thread about goth...

Anyways, Ministry taught me everything I ever needed to know about industrial music and beyond.

showing yer age there and not even close ya Muscle Heided Ugly Amerikan Erse!

I remember the term industrial being used to describe Fad Gadget in The Sounds years ago,and then Depeche Mode saying years later that they were heavily influenced by the industrial sounds of Fad Gadget.

My T'penceworth.

canon docre wrote:It was just a matter of time until a thread about industrial music was turned into a thread about goth...

Anyways, Ministry taught me everything I ever needed to know about industrial music and beyond.

Oh yeah, Stigmata > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hc_i4VlstTc