Heartland

yeah, there should be some roots before Joy Division
what can you remember?
the first Russian goth - Mikhail Boyarsky
he's most famous for playing D'Artagnan role in "Three Musketeers" movie and he's also a pop-rock singer
some of his songs are a bit gothic
maybe, these:
Everything passes
The humpback
Green-eyed taxi
mention that he looked as Eldritch before Eldritch

and they both posess the unique voice

which pre-80s goths can you mention?

The Van Der Graaf Generator
Genesis

ormfdmrush wrote: which pre-80s goths can you mention?

You take it backwards : music-wise, 80s goffs were inspired by things that were not goffic.
David Bowie
Lou Reed
Velvet Underground
Suicide
The Stooges
glam rock
punk rock
And so on and so forth...

It all started with the blues. As did everything else.

Even earlier than that, there was this sound called the Big Bang. And every piece of good music since has been trying to get back to that point.

Deep Claire, very deep... <insert strokes chin smiley>

boudicca wrote:It all started with the blues. As did everything else.

IIRC I read somewhere (thinking early 90s, around the release of Vision Thing) that Goff was one of the few forms of music that couldn't be traced back to blues. The thinking went that it wasn't a choon as such, but more akin to poetry.

UK DECAY.

James Blast wrote:Deep Claire, very deep... <insert strokes chin smiley>

Aye, so's the Forth and Clyde Canal...

I tried to restrain myself.

boudicca wrote:

James Blast wrote:Deep Claire, very deep... <insert strokes chin smiley>

I tried to restrain myself.

Try harder!

There's room enough in that canal for two Keef

Restraint is for wimps!

boudicca wrote:There's room enough in that canal for two Keef

Room in Canal for Two?..................'you chattin' me up?

James Blast wrote:Restraint is for wimps!

not necesarily

emilystrange wrote:

James Blast wrote:Restraint is for wimps!

not necesarily

I forgot about the rubber dress and appliances ems, please forgive

James Blast wrote:

emilystrange wrote:

James Blast wrote:Restraint is for wimps!

not necesarily

I forgot about the rubber dress and appliances ems, please forgive

I've got images of Derek R on a Bean Bag now

eek so have i.

hang on.. i have NEVER mentioned appliances!

ye've got tae huv appliances

scotty wrote:UK DECAY.

Preach it brother!

scotty wrote:

James Blast wrote:

emilystrange wrote: not necesarily

I forgot about the rubber dress and appliances ems, please forgive

I've got images of Derek R on a Bean Bag now

Jocko Pervo does us proud


Bowie can certainly be blamed for a lot of ealy Goth, but I think it's all Thatchers fault-she made the kids miserable!

ormfdmrush wrote:which pre-80s goths can you mention?

pre 80's goths?...

some folks will disagree...that's OK...i used to think differently too

1. Siouxsie & The Banshees
2. The Damned
3. The Cure
4. Bauhaus
5. Killing Joke (again debatable upon then being Goth)

post 1980 goth bands are far more elusive

weebleswobble wrote:I think it's all Thatchers fault-she made the kids miserable!

Burn wrote: 3. The Cure

Are you calling Three imaginary boys, their one and only pre-80s record, a goff album ?

I've said my piece, I think I'll leave now...

Badlander wrote:

Burn wrote: 3. The Cure

Are you calling Three imaginary boys, their one and only pre-80s record, a goff album ?

PRE Goth FFS!...that means before as IIRC it was released in 1979...

all the bands i listed had at least one release before 1980 and they all had a major infulence on the sound and feeling of the music that was later termed GOTH by Ian Astbury

ormfdmrush wrote:the first Russian goth - Mikhail Boyarsky
mention that he looked as Eldritch before Eldritch

Did you think what you've said? "the first Russian goth - Mikhail Boyarsky"...