Heartland

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5408246.stm

Yeah, so Kim's a little bit derranged, but come on.

Check the "negotiator's" statement

A-hole!

Team America: World Police

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0372588/

http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0372588/ ... flyer4.jpg

While this is an a*se against a*se here. Funny how the world ignore the hunger in North Korea.

In other news, the USA has, with the Military Commissions Act of 2006, made a dangerous move towards totalitarianism. (See here and here.) The act will authorize the president to:

• seize American citizens as enemy combatants, even if they have never left the United States, and hold them indefinitely in military prison
• seize anybody who has "purposefully and materially supported hostilities against the United States."
  (This grants the president enormous power over citizens and legal residents. They can be designated as enemy combatants if they have contributed money to a Middle Eastern charity, and they too can be held indefinitely in a military prison.)

Sen. Russell Feingold wrote:this legislation would permit an individual to be convicted on the basis of coerced testimony and hearsay, would not allow full judicial review of the conviction, and yet would allow someone convicted under these rules to be put to death

[...]

this legislation would deny detainees at Guantanamo Bay and elsewhere-people who have been held for years but have not been tried or even charged with any crime-the ability to challenge their detention in court. Among its many flaws, this is the most troubling-that the legislation seeks to suspend the Great Writ of habeas corpus.

[...]

Some have suggested that terrorists who take up arms against this country should not be allowed to challenge their detention in court. But that argument is circular--the writ of habeas allows those who might be mistakenly detained to challenge their detention in court, before a neutral decision-maker. The alternative is to allow people to be detained indefinitely with no ability to argue that they are not, in fact, enemy combatants. Unless any of my colleagues can say with absolute certainty that everyone detained as an enemy combatant was correctly detained--and there is ample evidence to suggest that is not the case--then we should make sure that people can't simply be locked up forever, without court review, based on someone slapping a "terrorist" label on them.

[...]

the bill would also define as an unlawful enemy combatant subject to trial by military commission, anyone who "has been determined to be an unlawful enemy combatant by a Combatant Status Review Tribunal or another competent tribunal established under the authority of the President or the Secretary of Defense." This essentially grants a blank check to the executive branch to decide entirely on its own who can be tried by military commission.

Farewell habeas corpus, a right enshrined by the Magna Carta in 1215. Welcome to the Fascist States of America. Hey, they've already got one concentration camp! (That we know of...)

Seriously scary.

http://www.moviewavs.com/php/sounds/?id ... stupid.mp3

nuff said really

who do the usa think they are?

The Jesus Brigade; here to "liberate" the world.

Some day their ass is gonna be kicked harder then ever....

Ozpat wrote:Some day their ass is gonna be kicked harder then ever....

hopefully that happens while GB junior is kissing his father's *ss. That would be 2 in 1 kick

I think the USA has the right to be pissed, quite frankly. Must be pretty galling for them, the Japanese, and South Koreans to see what all the aid money they gave has been spent on, instead of preventing mass starvation.
I felt equally irritated when India and Pakistan did exactly the same. No-more charity donations from yours truly after that. If you can afford a nuclear program, you can afford to feed yourselves..

DeWinter wrote:I think the USA has the right to be pissed, quite frankly. Must be pretty galling for them, the Japanese, and South Koreans to see what all the aid money they gave has been spent on, instead of preventing mass starvation.
I felt equally irritated when India and Pakistan did exactly the same. No-more charity donations from yours truly after that. If you can afford a nuclear program, you can afford to feed yourselves..

Mind you I completely agree with you onthis one and I completely against nuclear weapons whatsoever as long as the existence of aliens isn't prooven but I really start to get fed up with the american government (read Mr Bush). No hard feelings against any of the american heartland brothers or sisters.

Ozpat wrote:Some day their ass is gonna be kicked harder then ever....

Some day...some day....some day....

Cool, the last time made great TV.

DeWinter wrote:
I think the USA has the right to be pissed, quite frankly. Must be pretty galling for them, the Japanese, and South Koreans to see what all the aid money they gave has been spent on, instead of preventing mass starvation.
I felt equally irritated when India and Pakistan did exactly the same. No-more charity donations from yours truly after that. If you can afford a nuclear program, you can afford to feed yourselves..

Maybe the US govt. should ask for receipts in future

North Korea must choose either to have a future or to have nuclear weapons "but it cannot have them both", top US negotiator Christopher Hill said

That scares me.

Dark wrote:

North Korea must choose either to have a future or to have nuclear weapons "but it cannot have them both", top US negotiator Christopher Hill said

That scares me.

The scariest bit is he calls himself a negotiator, I always thought negotiators had to look for compromises, not tell others what to do

Obviousman wrote:

Dark wrote:

North Korea must choose either to have a future or to have nuclear weapons "but it cannot have them both", top US negotiator Christopher Hill said

That scares me.

The scariest bit is he calls himself a negotiator, I always thought negotiators had to look for compromises, not tell others what to do

No No, that’s "old" Europe. You know, those procrastinating old farts
in the EU. Now days you're either "with us or against us".

The EU's record on it's own doorstep (Bosnia) being a sparkling example of fine old-world diplomacy and timely action? If it wasn't for the fact that it'll be a horrific bloodbath, I' be tempted to suggest you wait untill Kosovo possibly declares independence, and see how Europe manages the results on it's own..
Anyway..a nuclear program is prohibitively expensive, and a country that goes ahead with it with famine conditions around the corner, doesn't have much of a future ahead, does it?

DeWinter wrote:The EU's record on it's own doorstep (Bosnia) being a sparkling example of fine old-world diplomacy and timely action? If it wasn't for the fact that it'll be a horrific bloodbath, I' be tempted to suggest you wait untill Kosovo possibly declares independence, and see how Europe manages the results on it's own..
Anyway..a nuclear program is prohibitively expensive, and a country that goes ahead with it with famine conditions around the corner, doesn't have much of a future ahead, does it?

You mention Kosovo: I find it embarassing that the Serbian/Albanian/Croatian militaries had so much time to do what they did. All of europe had their eyes closed and ears shut. whiel some of the worst that could happen to a society happened there. A total failure of european politics, I´s say. Seven years until a line was drawn.
Back on topic: Yes, it ´s no news that the contemporary US government is a couple of busloads of bastards. It is obvoius that this negotiator must have a pie where others have a brain to talk like that.
When all you have as a tool is a hammer, you tend to see everything around you as a nail.
One short sentence that sums up US foreign politics of the past five years at least. The US need a new government fast, and it ought to be a democratic one. John Kerry would have been a great choice..
There was an alternative, and yet was Bush again.. Why on earth?
Edit: Polititians seem to be overdrugged in general thes days..

This documentary movie objectively shows the fundamental difference between the criminal capitalist system of "USA" that is at odds with human rights and the genuinely benevolent Juche-based man-centered Korean-style socialist system of the Democratic people's Republic of Korea blessed with the flawless Songun leadership of Dear Leader Comrade Generalissimo Kim Jong Il the Heaven-born great brilliant Mt. Paektu type general born on the Sacred Mountain.

While "America" is the Hell on Earth for its people, living in a land of consumerist exploitation by the criminal capitalist Bush clique of hawkish warmongers who are the worst human rights violators in humankind history, suffer the intense political and social oppression awash with crime, guns, violence, prostitution, drug trafficking, murder and jaywalking, the DPRK is the utopian socialist worker's paradise of fully garanteed democratic freedoms and protected human rights providing the full enjoyment and fulfillment of a life filled with the single-minded unity of the nation in unbound loyalty and deep reverence for the Leader who is more precious than their own lives.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UNAEyqQc7Q

(Just try to ignore the fact for more than a decade, the people of North Korea - one of the most isolated nations on earth - have suffered from famine and acute food shortages. Hundreds of thousands of people have died and many millions more have suffered from chronic malnutrition.

http://www.amnestyusa.org/women/documen ... 1B00478D0B

But at least there is no jaywalking!

The U.S. has been by far the largest donor to the aid appeal under which the U.N. World Food Program has shipped $1.7 billion worth of rice, corn, wheat and sugar into North Korea over a decade.

What brought significant Western aid to North Korea in the first place was a nuclear-freeze deal proposed in 1994 by Jimmy Carter. Kim cheated on the deal, pursuing nukes while starving to death an estimated two million North Koreans--using the state distribution system to decide most expeditiously who would die.

Ozpat wrote:Some day their ass is gonna be kicked harder then ever....

Don't forget to keep an eye out for that "dirty bomb" and its soon to be new owners - the AlQueida.

DarkAngel wrote:This documentary movie objectively shows the fundamental difference between the criminal capitalist system of "USA" that is at odds with human rights and the genuinely benevolent Juche-based man-centered Korean-style socialist system of the Democratic people's Republic of Korea blessed with the flawless Songun leadership of Dear Leader Comrade Generalissimo Kim Jong Il the Heaven-born great brilliant Mt. Paektu type general born on the Sacred Mountain.

While "America" is the Hell on Earth for its people, living in a land of consumerist exploitation by the criminal capitalist Bush clique of hawkish warmongers who are the worst human rights violators in humankind history, suffer the intense political and social oppression awash with crime, guns, violence, prostitution, drug trafficking, murder and jaywalking, the DPRK is the utopian socialist worker's paradise of fully garanteed democratic freedoms and protected human rights providing the full enjoyment and fulfillment of a life filled with the single-minded unity of the nation in unbound loyalty and deep reverence for the Leader who is more precious than their own lives.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UNAEyqQc7Q

(Just try to ignore the fact for more than a decade, the people of North Korea - one of the most isolated nations on earth - have suffered from famine and acute food shortages. Hundreds of thousands of people have died and many millions more have suffered from chronic malnutrition.

http://www.amnestyusa.org/women/documen ... 1B00478D0B

But at least there is no jaywalking!

The U.S. has been by far the largest donor to the aid appeal under which the U.N. World Food Program has shipped $1.7 billion worth of rice, corn, wheat and sugar into North Korea over a decade.

What brought significant Western aid to North Korea in the first place was a nuclear-freeze deal proposed in 1994 by Jimmy Carter. Kim cheated on the deal, pursuing nukes while starving to death an estimated two million North Koreans--using the state distribution system to decide most expeditiously who would die.

Do I sense just a hint of sarcasm in that post?

Angel, There is only one thing I can say as comment to what you wrote:
Yes! You are right.
I hope you can handle the shock.
I only hope that there will be no war against Kim, as this bloke is dangerous. FIrst of all for his own people, as is obvoius.

More nutcases in the US of A

news source wrote:Wisconsin state Rep. Frank Lasee, R-Green Bay, said he would introduce a measure in the state legislature early next year that would give teachers and other school employees the option of carrying concealed guns after they have received extensive weapons training.

Right

Obviousman wrote:More nutcases in the US of A

news source wrote:Wisconsin state Rep. Frank Lasee, R-Green Bay, said he would introduce a measure in the state legislature early next year that would give teachers and other school employees the option of carrying concealed guns after they have received extensive weapons training.

Right :roll:

He is a nutcase. Most likely a gun toting jay-walker.

eotunun wrote:Angel, There is only one thing I can say as comment to what you wrote:
Yes! You are right.
I hope you can handle the shock.
I only hope that there will be no war against Kim, as this bloke is dangerous. FIrst of all for his own people, as is obvoius.

And it is a shock. How can any country appropriately respond to this kind of thing - it always ends up being a no win situation for those who get involved. And, wouldn't it be considered irresponsible if we don't get involved? How frustrating.