Never Land (A Fragment?) [Reissue] - Comments, etc
Posted: 28 Oct 2006, 21:41
By which I mean Floodland.
Now the 3 are equally represented
Now the 3 are equally represented
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Never Land (A Fragment?) [Reissue] - Comments, etc
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Posted: 28 Oct 2006, 22:22
Never Land (full length) - doesn't have the production or extra atmos. of (a fragment), am I disappointed? Well yes but it's still better than most, or am I on 'any scraps from the master's table' mode?
Posted: 29 Oct 2006, 00:17
James,James Blast wrote:Never Land (full length) - doesn't have the production or extra atmos. of (a fragment), am I disappointed? Well yes but it's still better than most, or am I on 'any scraps from the master's table' mode?
What was your impressio with the original version when you first listened to it? Did it grow on you? Might this one over time?
Posted: 29 Oct 2006, 00:56
Martin, do you not ken me by now? I fell in love with it, I still fancy it.Petseri wrote:James,James Blast wrote:Never Land (full length) - doesn't have the production or extra atmos. of (a fragment), am I disappointed? Well yes but it's still better than most, or am I on 'any scraps from the master's table' mode?
What was your impressio with the original version when you first listened to it? Did it grow on you? Might this one over time?
Never Land (a fragment) is my most very favourite tune, Ever!
The non fragment just doesn't have the production.
ne'er mind, maybe ther'll be 20 min You could be the One in the vaults
Posted: 29 Oct 2006, 01:01
I am just trying to keep you optimist, my friend. I will ask you again in a few months to see if it has grown on you, even if it does not surpass the original.James Blast wrote:Martin, do you not ken me by now? I fell in love with it, I still fancy it.Petseri wrote:James,James Blast wrote:Never Land (full length) - doesn't have the production or extra atmos. of (a fragment), am I disappointed? Well yes but it's still better than most, or am I on 'any scraps from the master's table' mode?
What was your impressio with the original version when you first listened to it? Did it grow on you? Might this one over time?
Never Land (a fragment) is my most very favourite tune, Ever!
The non fragment just doesn't have the production.
Posted: 29 Oct 2006, 01:11
I already 'enjoy' it, it just doesn't have that... Ooomph! that a frag has, why so cheap Mr.E?
Posted: 29 Oct 2006, 01:23
James, I seriously doubt that Andrew had anything to do with these reissues.James Blast wrote:I already 'enjoy' it, it just doesn't have that... Ooomph! that a frag has, why so cheap Mr.E?
Posted: 29 Oct 2006, 01:34
Then why the feck doesn't he release a remastered version of his own ?!Syberberg wrote:James, I seriously doubt that Andrew had anything to do with these reissues.James Blast wrote:I already 'enjoy' it, it just doesn't have that... Ooomph! that a frag has, why so cheap Mr.E?
Because he doesn't own the rights anymore, I know.
Posted: 29 Oct 2006, 05:27
(Curtain, Orchester plays doomy tune. Szene II, dimmed lights, lots of smoke.Badlander wrote:Then why the feck doesn't he release a remastered version of his own ?!Syberberg wrote:James, I seriously doubt that Andrew had anything to do with these reissues.James Blast wrote:I already 'enjoy' it, it just doesn't have that... Ooomph! that a frag has, why so cheap Mr.E?
Because he doesn't own the rights anymore, I know.
Enter canondocre.)
Posted: 29 Oct 2006, 10:12
*drumsolo reaches peak*
*silence*
*silence*
Badlander, I expect better from you by now.Titel der Werkfassung: NEVER LAND
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Posted: 29 Oct 2006, 11:18
My copy of Floodland is missing some of the liner notes! Does everyone else's notes also drop off mid sentence or am I sitting on an E-Bay goldmine? 
Posted: 29 Oct 2006, 12:46
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Posted: 29 Oct 2006, 16:23
Waner Bros. screws up again? Why am I not surprised at their total lack of quality control?streamline wrote:My copy of Floodland is missing some of the liner notes! Does everyone else's notes also drop off mid sentence or am I sitting on an E-Bay goldmine?
Posted: 29 Oct 2006, 20:48
As said elsewhere, Mr E has zero to do with these re-issues. Also, remember what the man said:James Blast wrote:I already 'enjoy' it, it just doesn't have that... Ooomph! that a frag has, why so cheap Mr.E?
If the "full" Never Land *had* been properly produced etc. I would have been extremely disappointed with Von for lying to us. As it stands, it sounds like the 12-minute version is indeed a "demo".Andrew Eldritch wrote: There is no other version of 'Never Land' (apart from demo versions and "full" versions edited together by bootleg merchants).
Posted: 29 Oct 2006, 21:13
So what AE said was at best a slightly misleading implication that anything aside from the final recording/mix is a "demo" and at worst an outright lie.
Posted: 29 Oct 2006, 21:21
My "why so cheap Mr. E" refers to the fact he had this 12 min. epic, nay masterpiece, why did he stall at the 3 min. mark?
Nothing to do with WEA finally liberating the glory that it stands at.
I love this recently freed version, but it lacks the production of (a fragment) - a spot of echo and those keyboard tinklings wouldn't have gone amiss. Aren't the restored lyrics a wonder in themself tho?
Scraps from the Master's table...
Nothing to do with WEA finally liberating the glory that it stands at.
I love this recently freed version, but it lacks the production of (a fragment) - a spot of echo and those keyboard tinklings wouldn't have gone amiss. Aren't the restored lyrics a wonder in themself tho?
Scraps from the Master's table...
Posted: 29 Oct 2006, 21:29
Now we all know how much of a perfectionist he is/was (Vision Thing, how many takes again?), so considering that, if he figured a fragment was better than the full 11 minutes back in the days, it wouldn't have been without reason, and I presume that'd still stand for him.
Just enjoy it, don't complain is what I'd say Not to mention a bit of extra lyrics
Just enjoy it, don't complain is what I'd say
Not to mention a bit of extra lyrics Posted: 29 Oct 2006, 21:47
canon docre wrote: Badlander, I expect better from you by now.
Posted: 29 Oct 2006, 21:51
I will be patient and wait for these but without even listening to it I know that the MasterBlaster speaks the truth.James Blast wrote:My "why so cheap Mr. E" refers to the fact he had this 12 min. epic, nay masterpiece, why did he stall at the 3 min. mark?
Nothing to do with WEA finally liberating the glory that it stands at.
I love this recently freed version, but it lacks the production of (a fragment) - a spot of echo and those keyboard tinklings wouldn't have gone amiss. Aren't the restored lyrics a wonder in themself tho?
Scraps from the Master's table...
Posted: 29 Oct 2006, 22:36
Well, what would have had to be left off Floodland to make room for it?James Blast wrote:My "why so cheap Mr. E" refers to the fact he had this 12 min. epic, nay masterpiece, why did he stall at the 3 min. mark?
Posted: 29 Oct 2006, 23:00
It might have been down to how much could be fitted onto a side of a record? How much can fit on one side of a 33 1/3 RPM piece of vinyl?
Posted: 29 Oct 2006, 23:14
But then he wouldn't have said there was nothing but demos 
Posted: 29 Oct 2006, 23:21
This Corrossion coulda done with the 7" version - it came, it punched us in the face, it left
everything else was frippery
everything else was frippery
Posted: 29 Oct 2006, 23:41
I'll have to listen to the demo version afore I make up my mind. But hearing the 3 minute version makes me want to listen to the whole album again, so in that respect it works 
Posted: 30 Oct 2006, 00:52
Already discussed this with him.weebleswobble wrote:I will be patient and wait for these but without even listening to it I know that the MasterBlaster speaks the truth.James Blast wrote:I love this recently freed version, but it lacks the production of (a fragment) - a spot of echo and those keyboard tinklings wouldn't have gone amiss. Aren't the restored lyrics a wonder in themself tho?
Personal tastes I suppose but this version blows me away. I love the extra lyrics and I can now fit the song into the story behind it. Despite knowing the story, I hadn't noticed the relevance of the title but I can be a bit thick sometimes. It's a rougher mix than 'a fragment' but it's far more complete sounding than the Floodland demos. And James didn't notice that the keyboard tinklings actually do come in towards the end, as well as some cymbals that I rather like. Definitely one to put on repeat..... WAHOO.