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OK, now I have finally managed to sort out the necessary software to change the playing speeds of MP3/FLAC/whatever, and I can actually do it which live recordings do people remember as being too slow or too fast? And by how much roughly should it be changed?

I can think of a few off the top of my head (although I know I have more) -

Paradiso 1983 is too slow by approx 9-10%
Dublin 1997 is too fast by ?

Any one got any more?

Thanks!

Off the top of my head Long Beach 85 is slow & at least one of the Summer 98 shows is also slow.. Your best bet is getting something like Audition or Soundforge to do your cleaning up

Yup, Paradiso 83 is one, and I think there's a Bremen 85 as well.

Generally what I do to determine the amount to change the speed by is get the length of a fairly well-known and consistent Doktor intro from the same period - Alice or Walk Away usually work well - and it's a simple matter of doing some division from there. 10% seems about right for Paradiso 83.

You should also select whatever options are available to adjust speed by "resampling", changing the pitch, or whatever, because it will have also adjusted in the opposite direction by the speeding up/slowing down of the original.

90% of bootlegs before, say, 2000, are incorrect speed by 1% or more. Before the time digital recording equipment became the norm.

One correct one is Dark Xmas in London which can be used as a guide to many 90s recordings. Like the correct length of Comfortably numb-SKOS, from the first doktor's beat to the last, is very close to 8:45 throughout the 90s. And of course Wake is a good starting point for -85 recordings (that is, the officially released version of London 18.6. gig, not the other audience recordings of the same gig).
Also seems to me that videos are usually more or less correct.

streamline wrote:Any one got any more?

Cassettes of Camden Palace 12.8.83 run for around 35 minutes. It should be speed corrected to around 30 minutes.

itnAklipse wrote:Also seems to me that videos are usually more or less correct.

Yeah, because of the way videos calculate the frame rate they almost always stay the right speed.

whatever the name of that festival was in 1997 when they played
a huge long version of sister ray - that whole boot is slow speed;
you can tell by the spoken intro to sister ray that it's AE's voice slowed down.

Ocean Moves wrote:whatever the name of that festival was in 1997 when they played
a huge long version of sister ray - that whole boot is slow speed;
you can tell by the spoken intro to sister ray that it's AE's voice slowed down.

Rendsburg, Supercrash.
Slow? Never noticed.

Slow, slow, quick quick slow...

I wouldn't trust the speed of any video content, unless you know its the direct from the master and hasn't been transferred from PAL/NTCS etc.
Also, loads of stuff seems to captured at different sample rates - 48000 or 44100 which affects the running time..

Fenders ballroom from may 85 is painfully slow. I'm pretty sure that the Trojan Horse/Den Haag boot from May 84 is also way too slow.

Nah, Trojan Horse is OK, unless there's a less common version of it that's also doing the rounds.

I am still playing around with these...

Dublin 97 seems to need slowing by 6%...

Don't forget you might also need to correct the pitch to make sure everything is back (or mostly likely not back ) in key

czuczu wrote:Don't forget you might also need to correct the pitch to make sure everything is back in key

Yeah, cheers Stu, whatever software package I am currently using (I've tried a few! Goldwave is the current instrument of choice) has a nice check box to automatically correct the pitch. Otherwise I'd be screwed

czuczu wrote:(or mostly likely not back )

I've got a couple of those too!