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And seeing as though you lot probably miss the flip out of me, I'll do it here...


There's this website that I have just left, but used to post to loads. It was a pregnancy and birth site which mainly had American members and I use the word members in both the meanings.

I don't know if it was hormones or what but for ages, I have bitten my tongue about various things. For example, people would get lynched if they were to say, 'Oh my god' instead of, 'oh my gosh'. That sort of crap.

This time I saw red!!!

There was a picture of a four month old girl. With her ears pierced and all of these Britany Spears wannabes claiming it looked cute.

I posted that it was wrong and pretty disgusting yadda yadda yadda.

It then broke in to a bit of a war, with people from other forums coming on and slagging me off (Much fun!!) saying that it can't be cruel and likening it to immunisations!!!! When I pointed out that immunisations were vital and ear piercing was pretty damned close to abuse on someone so young, I thought they were going to send missiles to my house!!

According to these complete feck wits, immunisations are not important!


I ended the 'debate' with 'ABUSE. IT'S THE AMERICAN WAY' And promptly left the forum!!


Harsh or did these arse wipes need telling??

I think we need the address, Di.

Incidentally, I agree with you wholeheartedly.

Couldn't hubby help out though? He manages it rather well on here

Some bastard removed the post. But the forum is ere

For what it's worth Di, I think you're damn right.

Piercing the ears of babies always strikes me as at the very least a little tacky, and at worse, tantamount to abuse.

Whereas immunisations are a necessary defence against potentially fatal diseases.

On a tangent, since the immunisation rates have dropped because of the (completely unfounded) MMR scare, a number of children in the UK (I think it's 5 or 6) have actually died of measles.

I know. I did try to tell them that but they were busy going to church and beating their children......Or somethin'!

I'm behind you 100%.
Piercing the ears of a 4 months old !? What next, cosmetics for unborn children ?
Some people are so far up their own ass, they seem to have lost all sense of decency. You could at least try to refrain from regarding your child as a mere baby doll.

i'm with diana.
and not because that's wise

I can't believe I've come to HL and I feel better!!!!!!


<sniff>


Love you guys.........

markfiend wrote: Piercing the ears of babies always strikes me as at the very least a little tacky, and at worse, tantamount to abuse.

I'm with you on the tacky, but not quite on the abuse. I can remember when it was all the rage for people to have their kid's ears pierced at an early age. It is quite safe (apparently) and painless - and if the sprog decides that they don't like it when they get older (say at 3 ) they can just take 'em out and the heal over and it is job done.

It is a bit chav-tastic though, and the ultimate in tackiness.

Mind you, unlike members on certain boards, I am quite prepared to listen to others' opinions and not flame them. Welcome back, Di!

streamline wrote:I'm with you on the tacky, but not quite on the abuse. I can remember when it was all the rage for people to have their kid's ears pierced at an early age. It is quite safe (apparently) and painless - and if the sprog decides that they don't like it when they get older (say at 3 ) they can just take 'em out and the heal over and it is job done.

Aye I suppose that's true enough.

Ear piercing at Four months old .............WTF????????
It's all about making the parents look "cool", sort of a fashion accessory and has feck all to do with the Babys welfare, it makes me sick, 100% behind you scarylady , how do I join this Forum?, a bit of Irate Choochter Dad opinions are needed I think

But can the baby tell you if a piercing hurs or itches? It can´t. So symptoms of potential allergies will possibly remain undetected, invisible inflamations can go on unoticed for such absolutely mindfucked things as ornamenting a baby. What the f*ck for? I find this infuriatingly daft, even inhumane.
The baby isn´t mother´s toy. Not a barbie doll the look and personality of whom is an object for mum´s hobby designing minutes.
MRS RJ, I think you are 100% right.

I'm not a fan of peircings in general but when I see a small child or infant with its ears pierced, I am repulsed.

eotunun wrote:But can the baby tell you if a piercing hurs or itches? It can´t. So symptoms of potential allergies will possibly remain undetected, invisible inflamations can go on unoticed for such absolutely mindfucked things as ornamenting a baby. What the f*ck for? I find this infuriatingly daft, even inhumane.
The baby isn´t mother´s toy. Not a barbie doll the look and personality of whom is an object for mum´s hobby designing minutes.

Indeed. The phrase "gilding the lily" springs to mind.

*uses this as an excuse to rant about male-circumcision*

The unnecessary mutilation of anyone’s body without their permission, no matter what their age, is disgusting in my opinion. Sure, they may be their legal guardian, but they’d be locked up if they circumcised their girl for inhumane activity, yet they’re allowed to strap down their baby-boy and remove a part of his member without anaesthetic, causing him to go into shock, for no other reason then fashion or religion (physically - i.e. bodily - imposing your beliefs on a child is a despicable act).

You had every right to go off on one. Most parents shouldn’t have children.

Yup, you were 100% completely and totally damn right. Like, for crying out loud, the poor child can't even choose whether or not he or she want to look like that. eotunun is right - this is a human being, and not a fashion accessory.

And then there's the small matter of infections/etc, which you already have nicely covered.

Perhaps there should be some sort of 'responsibility/common sense' exam that people should take before thet are allowed to be parents.

Its amazing how many people seem to think a baby is 'for accessorising'.

James Blast wrote:I'm not a fan of peircings in general but when I see a small child or infant with its ears pierced, I am repulsed.

JB repulsed?? it must be bad!
all joking aside though, its totally disgusting but that Americans for you:
land of the freaks and home of the brain dead!

(mind you, its not too far from what my darling hears asked to get pierced in her shop, perhaps Woolwich and USA are on some psychic link??!!)

nick the stripper wrote:*uses this as an excuse to rant about male-circumcision*

The unnecessary mutilation of anyone’s body without their permission, no matter what their age, is disgusting in my opinion. Sure, they may be their legal guardian, but they’d be locked up if they circumcised their girl for inhumane activity, yet they’re allowed to strap down their baby-boy and remove a part of his member without anaesthetic, causing him to go into shock, for no other reason then fashion or religion (physically - i.e. bodily - imposing your beliefs on a child is a despicable act).

You had every right to go off on one. Most parents shouldn’t have children.

That's something else they kept banging on about. Pretty much every mother who was having a boy was up for it.


Utterly disgusting. I couldn't agree more with you.

even non jewish ones? oweee!

nick the stripper wrote:Sure, they may be their legal guardian, but they’d be locked up if they circumcised their girl for inhumane activity, yet they’re allowed to strap down their baby-boy and remove a part of his member without anaesthetic

There is a slight difference between male and female circumcision though. Female circumcision interferes hugely with future... um, enjoyment... wheras male circumcision doesn't. It is an act of mutilation which carries far greater consequences for the individual.

Having said that, I do agree with you in principle. Why people feel the need to do anything to alter their own perfectly healthy, wriggly, beautiful child is beyond me.

I had to get my pecker nipped when I was around 10 or 11 and the pain afterwards was unbelievable. I wish they'd done it waay back when I would've been unaware of what was going on.

1) Piercing a 4-month-old's ears is stupid and pointless. A baby can't choose to have its ears pierced. But then, rights of a human's choice are obviously ignored in the land of the free.
2) Cosmetic piercing or immunization? The fact that a comparison is need even EXISTS is f**king stupid.
3) Female circumsision is unnecessary and tantamount to abusive mutilation.
4) Male circumsision is only necessary when health risks dictate. Anyway, uncut ones are hotter. Sue me.

Dark wrote:1) Piercing a 4-month-old's ears is stupid and pointless. A baby can't choose to have its ears pierced. But then, rights of a human's choice are obviously ignored in the land of the free.
2) Cosmetic piercing or immunization? The fact that a comparison is need even EXISTS is f**king stupid.
3) Female circumsision is unnecessary and tantamount to abusive mutilation.
4) Male circumsision is only necessary when health risks dictate. Anyway, uncut ones are hotter. Sue me.

LEEEEEEEEEEETTS GET THIS RANT GOING!!!!!!!!