Heartland

Tired of this two party nation, with small difference in their ethos?

Feel that you could do a better job than either Blair or Cameron?

Fair enough.

Maybe you could.

My question is, how in this so called democracy, would someone like you, someone that for all I know might have some genius ideas, physically form a recognised part here in the UK?

Obviously, it can be done, examples being the Monster Raving Looney Party, and the BNP, however, even if either had a fantastic manifesto, which they don't, it would be virtually impossible for them to compete with the marketing budgets and donations that NL and the Tories get, to ensure their dominance is maintained.

Therefore, in a so called democracy, is it impossible to establish a new party that would have a chance of being voted to power, simply down the the economics of it, and the fact that the system is not designed to encourage it?

You forgot the Liberal Democrats Keef!

We have so many parties that you never get what you voted as coalitions have to be formed all the time.

Proportional representation for this end of the Isles would be a nice start. Best to see what we can do when we're allowed to vote properly for the parties we've got, never mind adding more to the mix

I'll vote for you

scotty wrote:Tired of this two party nation, with small difference in their ethos?

Feel that you could do a better job than either Blair or Cameron?

Fair enough.

Maybe you could.

My question is, how in this so called democracy, would someone like you, someone that for all I know might have some genius ideas, physically form a recognised part here in the UK?

Obviously, it can be done, examples being the Monster Raving Looney Party, and the BNP, however, even if either had a fantastic manifesto, which they don't, it would be virtually impossible for them to compete with the marketing budgets and donations that NL and the Tories get, to ensure their dominance is maintained.

Therefore, in a so called democracy, is it impossible to establish a new party that would have a chance of being voted to power, simply down the the economics of it, and the fact that the system is not designed to encourage it?

Well, theres the SNP and Plaid Cymru, who are the main opposition parties in Scotland and Wales respectively, they are at a massive funding disadvantage, as they only get donations from their respective regions whilst Labour/Tory/Lib-Dem can use the resources from their local and UK-wide operations. I think this is really why Labour and the Lib-Dems are so opposed to Scottish independence, as it's doubtful they'd be able to wield the financial muscle against the SNP they currently do without bankrolling from their London headquarters.
The thing is, the Tory party could field the best manifesto ever seen and they'd never get much support in either of those countries, so when the average Welshman or Scot is p.o'd with Labour, or their LD coalition partners, theres only really one other party to vote for, hence their popularity despite being utterly devoid of any sensible policy and in the case of the SNP taking donations from the likes of slimy Brian Soulter.
In England what we generally get is splinter groups from the main two, the BNP have managed qute remarkable success by claiming the mantle and the economic policies of the Foot/Kinnock era Labour Party(they are socialist, so shouldn't they be called far-left rather than far-right?Come to think of it, so were the Nazis.). But no-one really believes their new glossy image, a vote for them is usually a vote against current immigration policies.

UKIP is full of people like me who would have voted Tory(although I was a Labour voter before) but dislike Cameron's drift towards Blair MK 2, essentially old Tory and Eurosceptic. Unfortunately it attracts far more than it's fair share of the seemingly deranged.

So it is possible, especially when you consider Labour and Tory are both technically insolvent, with diminishing membership, hence their support for State sponsoring of them. I also think the internet has been a big leveller, allowing the smaller parties to compete on the same scale as the big three on at least one popular medium.

Vote BNP!

Don't forget that we are in a democracy & that effectively means that anyone......yes ANYONE over 18 is entitled to a voice (as long as they pay their taxes etc...).
Now just take a look around & consider (at random) 100 people you know, who are over 18 yrs old. They could be anyone, celebs, shop keepers, chavs, literally anyone.
Having considered all that, how many of them would you actually want to be allowed to have a voice?

nick the stripper wrote:Vote BNP!

Kindly f**k right off.

Dark wrote:Kindly f**k right off.

Brilliant! We'll put it on picket signs and march the streets of London.

We'll get those pesky immigrants!

Pista wrote:Don't forget that we are in a democracy & that effectively means that anyone......yes ANYONE over 18 is entitled to a voice (as long as they pay their taxes etc...).
Now just take a look around & consider (at random) 100 people you know, who are over 18 yrs old. They could be anyone, celebs, shop keepers, chavs, literally anyone.
Having considered all that, how many of them would you actually want to be allowed to have a voice?

It's often said that the best AND worst attribute of true democracy is that is democratic........

I went through that hassle that is forming a party already years ago.
My party was campaigning for the abolition of motorised vehicles. We should all go back to horse riding and travelling in carriages.
there were many advantages: no air pollution, no noise, no ugly cars and a lot of cute little ponys.....
Over 100 believers signed in for my party. Nonetheless it didnt went through legislation.


(Gimme a break - I was ten)

Break given, although it sounds like you'd still like to be ten and get that party going even today...

Ahráyeph wrote:Break given, although it sounds like you'd still like to be ten and get that party going even today...

not really. my beliefs got heavily shaken after achieving the driver's license and buying one of those fast little buggers....

<Bill Hicks>
I think the puppet on the left shares my beliefs!

I think the puppet on the right is more to my liking!

Hey, hold on, there's one guy holding up both puppets!

Shut up! Go back to bed, your government is in control. You are free to do as we tell you! You are are free to do as we tell you!
</Bill Hicks>