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Can't have been pleasant viewing , you wonder what goes through peoples Heads to go to such lengths

Well i understand it. Makes much more sense than, say, running for office or being an investor.

scotty wrote:clicky

Can't have been pleasant viewing , you wonder what goes through peoples Heads to go to such lengths

I've suffered on and off with clinical depression all my life, so it's not surprising to me that he did that if people were egging him on. It was probably a cry for help at first, that or he knew what the members of the chat room were like and needed an extra "push" to force himself to go through with it.

People become idiots when they use the internet. They can't seem to comprehend that it's an actual person behind that text they're responding to. That's the only explanation I can give for the people who said stuff like this to him: "One chatter said: 'F***ing do it, get on with it, get it round your neck. For F***'s sake he can't even do this properly'."

I just can't understand why people can even think about doing it. Life is so great, you must have to be at absolute rock bottom. You can read all about the Ian Curtises or Kurt Cobains or Chris Aclands (drummer from Lush) or regular Joes of the world, but there is nothing that can make sense of the act to me. Nothing.

nick the stripper wrote: People become idiots when they use the internet.

Allow me to disagree. I don't think modern technology makes people any more or less dumb. But it does makes idiocy much more visible.

As for this web cam suicide, I guess somehow it makes sense if you consider suicide as a cry for help (which apparently if often is). It's the act of someone who wants to reach out but for some reason cannot.
It may sound insensitive, but this gives the act a lot of publicity, and that's what this person wanted, wasn't it ? Don't get me wrong : I'm not being cynical, I just think there's some form of logic (even if quite a perverted and sad one) behind this act.

nick the stripper wrote: People become idiots when they use the internet.

Some people even tend to see their peers on the web like guinea pigs or rats in a lab, never thinking about what that tells about themselves.
I guess the chatters that encouraged the poor chap on that web cam suicide to go on simply weren´t aware of the fact that at least 50% of communication is non verbal and the messages contained in gestures and voice simply miss. I don´t think they actually wanted to be eye witnesses of that.

accepting it's pretty grim. some of the comments are quite amusing

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if it needs to be removed, then i will

paint it black wrote:accepting it's pretty grim. some of the comments are quite amusing

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if it needs to be removed, then i will

You could have given a warning about the image, but I guess I should have guessed considering it's a .jpg link.

Its frustrating but very understandable how people react on his cries for help on a chat site.
You can’t hold them responsible for his actions but the fact remains he wanted help and he could have been helped if he had found the right people.

Should people be protected against something like this? I think there is a larger need of informing people what kinds of help they can get and making sure they can get it when they need it.

Edited as I have too many thoughts on the subject

christophe wrote:Should people be protected against something like this? I think there is a larger need of informing people what kinds of help they can get and making sure they can get it when they need it.

Can you protect someone by offering him help in such a state of mind?
The actual situation is that there are things in such a persons life that seem too big to cope with at that point of time. Or aggression against himself has risen to an extent that all the person thinks of is getting rid of itself.
In such a state of mind there won´t be much help possible. Other than people that are trusted with the sorrow or anger listening for real and having the courage to reply for real.
In some cases you may only hope on an attempted suicide to go wrong for the inner conflict to become visible to the environment.
The logic that should be common is that ending all merely prevents things from getting better. But again, spreading that knowledge requires people that actually care about preventing such incidents. Which is something else than sitting there and grinning about that person finishing itself.

eotunun wrote:The logic that should be common is that ending all merely prevents things from getting better.

Have you ever been in a situation where you're in so much pain the only solution you can think of is suicide? At that point in time, the idea of things actually getting better seems impossible. You hear people say "suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem" all the time, but at the time it seems quite the opposite.

@ eotunun.
Its hard to express my thoughts on this matter because every person is so different and no one can be compared, and because I have far to many personal experiences with it.
Therefore I rather not go into that subject.
I talk about people who do ask for help, if they can be helped or not is another question. Fact is these people do on their own judging. It are people who still see some hope.

This is horrible,

in the only defence I can muster for the onlookers I would hope they thought it was a prank of some kind.

The people involved are clearly idiots, but are so removed from his reality through the mediation of the screen it becomes just another spectacle.

itnAklipse wrote:Well i understand it. Makes much more sense than, say, running for office or being an investor.

Well, there's always one bollocks contribution to every thread...

Dr. Moody wrote: .. the only defence I can muster for the onlookers I would hope they thought it was a prank of some kind.

Yupp. Which in turn says that people should accept certain boundaries for "humour" so it´s still possible to tell fun fom the real thing.

@Christophe: That´s just my emergency routine for cases like these. It helped me before.
It´s self speaking that everyone has his own reasons&history. So go for unchangeable facts. One is that every day may bring news that may change the view or situation.
If you aren´t there to see the day, you won´t hear the good news, thus nail things fixed at their worst. Which isn´t very clever.
Not exactly a difficult idea.
About as difficult as thinking "That lorry coming into my lane in the opposite direction is less pleasant to bump into than the haystack on the field to my left!"

nick the stripper wrote:

eotunun wrote:The logic that should be common is that ending all merely prevents things from getting better.

Have you ever been in a situation where you're in so much pain the only solution you can think of is suicide? At that point in time, the idea of things actually getting better seems impossible. You hear people say "suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem" all the time, but at the time it seems quite the opposite.

Actually, Nick, when you've come to the point of committing suicide, you don't feel pain anymore. Getting to that point, is way past feeling anything anymore. It is a fact that when you're subjected to whatever kind of pain - and believe you me, anyone who - thankfully - hasn't been there, that you can you can feel physical pain when suffering from psychological pain - at some point, the pain dulls and you get numb to it. That's when you're reduced to just existing and it feels as if there is nothing worthwhile left to live for. You look back on your life and what it has amounted to up to that point and find it amounts to nothing. And that's when you go. You can tak about it and people laugh it away because 'if he/she talks about it, they certainly aren't going to do it'. That line of reasoning has made more suicide victims than one can imagine. And afterward, such people are the ones that are - publicly - most surprised and take it more to heart than anyone else. Denial of guilt, I suppose.
If anyone tells me they want to commit suicide, I tell them I would regret it and explain to them why I think they shouldn't, but I also reassure them that if they do want to go that way, I'll understand and not think any less of them. People always talk about how people who commit suicide are cowards. But given the human race's very well documented strong will to survive, I for one feel that it takes more courage than the average person to overcome that and take your own life. Certainly not a display of cowardice...

Ahráyeph wrote:Actually, Nick, when you've come to the point of committing suicide, you don't feel pain anymore.

That's not how it was for me. But that's true what you said about feeling physical pain when suffering from psychological pain, I would get this weird throbbing pain down my back and chest that were kind of like pins and needles.

I hear ya. And to those who doubt it : physical heartache does exist, unfortunately...

nick the stripper wrote:

Ahráyeph wrote:Actually, Nick, when you've come to the point of committing suicide, you don't feel pain anymore.

That's not how it was for me. But that's true what you said about feeling physical pain when suffering from psychological pain, I would get this weird throbbing pain down my back and chest that were kind of like pins and needles.

Indeed. it could be exactly the opposite, and not because you feel bad but because you feel so much about the rest of your surroundings you want to help by putting an end to your own life. (again, this depends on the situation)
I think most important of this is we see to Why the person has taken his own life and respect him for his last decision. I can’t think of any case when someone ends his own to hurt someone else so there is no need to blame them for it.

nick the stripper wrote:That's not how it was for me. But that's true what you said about feeling physical pain when suffering from psychological pain, I would get this weird throbbing pain down my back and chest that were kind of like pins and needles.

And mental unwellness can dig into your body much deeper than that.
When I get that it feels like some kind of rheumatism. Initially I found that effect fascinating enough to enjoy it a bit, how distinct thoughts would imediately have that ache as response.. (call me odd..)

I hope hes insured

One chat room users initial reaction.

I count myself fortunate to have never been in a situation like that personally.
The closest my own experience comes to these matters is self harm, which is something I have never felt the need to do, but I try my best to support those I know that do harm themselves as best as I can. You can't make someone stop, but I think that some care and attention takes the a large part of urge away from people. I hope this is the case anyway.