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I'd reckon it's Eldritch...but wasn't it so he wasn't allowed to sing on Gift because he was still bound to his record company? OR do I have the wrong version (a later) of Rain From Heaven?

try reading previous posts, I'm sure you have the time on your hands

The Sisterhood was a short-lived English musical project, consisting of Andrew Eldritch (writer and producer), drum machine Doktor Avalanche and the "Chorus of Vengeance" of Lucas Fox (drums), Patricia Morrison (bass and vocals), James Ray (guitar and vocals) and Alan Vega (synthesizer and vocals). Eldritch does not sing lead vocals on the record.

Something I was wondering... It says "Lucas Fox (drums)". Did he play drums as well as the Dok?

Eric had a large part to play............

I gave the thing another listen (finally got Gift complete )... now I think it must be someone else, on very close listening it seems it's NOT Eldritch. Maybe it's James Ray.

A few days ago i also read an interview of Alan Vega, and he said that for Gift he only recorded some vocals, and the vocals were recorded backstage after one of his concerts ...

I also remember reading that Lucas Fox's contribution was minimal, maybe as small as just being there in the studio.

"Another yes-man" according to Eric.

Bollocks.

Lucas Fox did most of the vocals for Gift.

Dark wrote:"Another yes-man" according to Eric.

How ironic. People should stop worshipping the ground "James Ray" walks on IMO.

markfiend wrote:Bollocks.

Lucas Fox did most of the vocals for Gift.

Dark wrote:"Another yes-man" according to Eric.

How ironic. People should stop worshipping the ground "James Ray" walks on IMO.

Now that is a truly groundbreaking new concept for HL.

Yeah, well.

I know the guy posts here from time to time, but to be honest, I've never understood why he gets so much respect from Sisters fans when the only thing of real note he ever did was to dick about on Top Of The Pops behind Andy and Patsy.

I don't know James Ray from Adam (no, not Adam) but I know he's in 25 Men and I happen to like that. Maybe he didn't do anything worthwile Sisters wise, but at least he's doing something substantial nowadays. As opposed to our Fearless - and sometimes Hairless - Leader, who just tours with old 'new' songs. A SoM gig every year is becoming a tradition, it seems. An album, well...

markfiend wrote:Yeah, well.

I know the guy posts here from time to time, but to be honest, I've never understood why he gets so much respect from Sisters fans when the only thing of real note he ever did was to dick about on Top Of The Pops behind Andy and Patsy.

and before that the guy sang on giving ground- the only track he did sing on as far as i can tell, from his own cryptic tit-bits- so he was briefly (though not officiall) a member of the band.

and he gave away his entire back catalogue for free download...which at least was his to give away...

and he does come on here in his own name....amongst others.

as to anything else: gangwar were cool; 4080 peru was conceptual bobbins -in itself no different from any art but misdirected as rock music, a criticism which a professional musician/artist should have taken in better spirit-; and i don't give a fuck if he's a smackhead or not: that drug is it's own courtroom judge and jury (if you excuse the long sentence..).

let's just say all is not as it may first appear with sister ray.

eastmidswhizzkid wrote: 4080 peru was conceptual bobbins -in itself no different from any art but misdirected as rock music, a criticism which a professional musician/artist should have taken in better spirit-;

Damn right, he didn't take too kindly to being told it was w@nk either!

Seemed like a nice enough bloke, much the same as did at Josephs Well.

Worship the ground they walk on? What, musicians? Entertainers? That's a bit excessive isn't it? Even for Bon Scott.

I thought the original question was who sings on Rain from heaven... please can someone answer it, I have not found an answer anywhere else.

OK, I think it was Lucas Fox.

markfiend wrote:

Dark wrote:"Another yes-man" according to Eric.

How ironic. People should stop worshipping the ground "James Ray" walks on IMO.

I was just quoting. I wasn't in the studio, I don't know any more than anyone else.

markfiend wrote:Yeah, well.

I know the guy posts here from time to time, but to be honest, I've never understood why he gets so much respect from Sisters fans when the only thing of real note he ever did was to dick about on Top Of The Pops behind Andy and Patsy.

That's like asking why anyone shows any respect to Robochrist or Bricheno or Varjak.. they just play what they're told, and hope to get some of their own material in every so often.

I don't care about what he did for the Sisters a great deal. I enjoy his own music, and there's plenty of it to enjoy.

Dark wrote:

markfiend wrote:

Dark wrote:"Another yes-man" according to Eric.

How ironic. People should stop worshipping the ground "James Ray" walks on IMO.

I was just quoting. I wasn't in the studio, I don't know any more than anyone else.

markfiend wrote:Yeah, well.

I know the guy posts here from time to time, but to be honest, I've never understood why he gets so much respect from Sisters fans when the only thing of real note he ever did was to dick about on Top Of The Pops behind Andy and Patsy.

That's like asking why anyone shows any respect to Robochrist or Bricheno or Varjak.. they just play what they're told, and hope to get some of their own material in every so often.

I don't care about what he did for the Sisters a great deal. I enjoy his own music, and there's plenty of it to enjoy.

in this case, respect doesnt neccessarily have anything to do with an individual's creative input into any given band. its about how that person conducts themself, both privately and professionally.



i dunno about tim or mike as i've never met them, but herr robo is a genuinely nice geezer, and more than happy to converse with anyone and everyone that gibbers on at him - and he shows no sign of getting sick of it yet...

i'm not denying the likelyhood that everyone has their own agenda, but its how certain individuals choose to exploit people's good natures in fulfulling their agenda that seems to be the main issue people are referring to

All I'm trying to say is that in all likelihood no Sisters fan would give a flying f*ck about James Ray if it wasn't for his connection with the band. And OK, I guess the same could be said about Chris, Adam, Mike, and any number of people who have been involved over the years.

It seemed to me like there was a time when this place was starting to look like a James Ray fan-site, rather than a Sisters fan-site.

Meh, I'm not such a big fan of the guy's music, that's all. I guess I could have worded things better.

Definitely Lucas Fox. He certainly sang Colours, and it's the same voice on Rain From Heaven, so that seems reasonably certain.

And the only thing that's really true about it all is that Gift would sound a lot better if Andrew Eldritch had sang on it.

Quiff Boy wrote:....herr robo is a genuinely nice geezer, and more than happy to converse with anyone and everyone that gibbers on at him ....

he most certainly is -and clever enough to suss straight away that he was being gibbered at by HLers when we met him in norwich;and demonstrated a knowledge of the forum's current content and opinion regarding the SBTSB tour -not bad seeing as he was actually doing the tour (yes, i know andrew s and eva did to.)

markfiend wrote:All I'm trying to say is that in all likelihood no Sisters fan would give a flying f*ck about James Ray if it wasn't for his connection with the band.......... I guess I could have worded things better.

no,mark: you were spot on.

as for Gift sounding better with eldritch singing......i reckon that the sisters version of "colours" is inferior vocally to the Gift version. giving ground on record (original 7" vinyl version, natch) is awesome,though difficult to compare to the von live version; but it would be nice to hear an at-the-time studio von vocal

I'm sure one exists...

markfiend wrote:All I'm trying to say is that in all likelihood no Sisters fan would give a flying f*ck about James Ray if it wasn't for his connection with the band. And OK, I guess the same could be said about Chris, Adam, Mike, and any number of people who have been involved over the years.

Yeah, you could say the same about Andrew, Craig, Wayne, Gary, and drum machines in general...

tooyoung wrote:

markfiend wrote:All I'm trying to say is that in all likelihood no Sisters fan would give a flying f*ck about James Ray if it wasn't for his connection with the band. And OK, I guess the same could be said about Chris, Adam, Mike, and any number of people who have been involved over the years.

Yeah, you could say the same about Andrew, Craig, Wayne, Gary, and drum machines in general...

err, not quite the same thing

Fetch my rolling eyes!