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This made me giggle

You get behind the wheel after "a few too many beers", crash, and kill yourself, I can't help thinking that Jeebus Crispie is going to tell you to fcuk off and go to hell anyway for being a tw@t.

Crap

That was funny, but slowly got more and more wprrying. After about minute 5 I think. It was the level of passion put into the voice of the guy in hell that gave me the creeps.

Jesus Is Here!!

weebleswobble wrote:Jesus Is Here!!

Where?

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All versions of splatters?
Nothing you see can shock you anymore?
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Holy s**t! I bet a couple of people actually get brainwashed by this crap.
Nothing else than despicable.

psichonaut wrote:

weebleswobble wrote:Jesus Is Here!!

Where?

Behind you!



































made you look

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Maisey wrote:That was funny, but slowly got more and more wprrying. After about minute 5 I think.

Couldn't even get past minute two... I found it really disturbing actually. That would be an absolute treat for anyone with religious OCD... a common thing among the seriously hardc0re devout, and the person who made that film by the look of it. What if indeed...

I can sit as a heathen and laugh at those particular ideas - but I do know the terror that sort of stuff will inspire in some people.
It infuriates me to see the fears stoked up of those whose faith forms the foundation of their life and who they are. And it saddens me so much to see spirituality, which can be such a source of strength, perverted into something which can be so full of infinite threat. I think it's often done by people who are motivated by the same fear themselves... but I'm sure there are many in the Evangelical movement who simply see a guaranteed fast buck to be made by preying on good-hearted people's worst nightmares.

Jesus is coming - look busy!
Jesus is my co-pilot, but when we crashed in the mountains I had to eat him.
My boss is a Jewish carpenter, but the Teamsters smacked the sh!t out of him for being non-union.
I found Jesus - he was behind the couch cushions.

and my personal favourite...

A couple of years ago I was in Seattle and as we were walking down the street some god-botherer came up to us with a handful of tracts and asked, "Have you encountered Jesus?"

Without missing a beat my friend John replied, "Yes, and I'm still bleeding from the anus."

Where does this idea come from that spirituality should be a source of strength? i find this populistic, unfounded and simply nonsensical drivel.
What i mean is this: what is meant by strength in this context? Strength, as i understand it, is the ability to act in accordance with one's convictions, pure and simple. Strength is not some vague positive attribute that spirituality is meant to support.

i think a religious person should know terror and fear, instead of comfort and self-satisfaction. Comfort and self-satisfaction should be the last things a spiritual person feels.

So in a word, i totally disagree with just about everything boudicca, who's the only one who took this topic a bit interestingly to me, said.

As for the video, i didn't watch it. Don't need to, the man can believe whatever he wants and preach whatever he wants.
If you think he is responsible if someone listens to him, you're again dead wrong.

If you get caught up by some fear-mongerer trying to make a quick buck cause you're too stupid and busy to think for yourself, that is your fault, not his. If you wanna buy spirituality instead of finding it in yourself, you deserve all the abuse you get.

So more than what i said earlier, i find boudicca's attitude frightening and if that kind of attitude spreads, it will only result in more dependant individuals in a ever-inreasingly totalitarian society where political correctness is everything for fear least someone should understand something wrong or buy into the wrong things.

God you people are sickening. Outwardly you preach freedom, and when someone exercises that freedom to say something you find uncomfortable, you turn into the worst fascists immediately.

The world is a dangerous place and if you don't watch out _for yourself_, you're dead. That's the bottomline. That's how nature intended it (which is what boudicca as a pagan should well know, nature makes no mistakes).

By comparison to what i imagine that man in the video would say, i can say that i think most of you, that man included, are entirely immoral and on the side of the so-called 'evil forces' in this world. How is that for fear-mongering? But that's what i think. And i think it's my right to say it, no matter what laws are passed or what anyone might think of it.
And i would never ever say that he doesn't have the right to think and say what he thinks.

itnAklipse wrote:(load of blah snipped)...And i think it's my right to say it, no matter what laws are passed or what anyone might think of it.

Using that logic I think it's my right to call you a cock! So I have.

Entirely immoral? Blimey you've certainly got a good handle on me, Dei.

itnAklipse wrote:..nature makes no mistakes

Nature makes nothing but mistakes, the least of which survive long enough to reproduce.

As for the video you didn't watch: Wise decision, you wouldn't have enjoyed it. It 's very uninteligent. More like a story to scare kids.
..which gives it the perfidious propaganda touch.
The method introduced here to catch flies is destabilize people to push them over and pick them up afterwards to make them say "My faith in Jesus rescued me out of crisis!". Never mind the ones that won't be picked up by faith, thus end up in a personal hell.
And become an easy steal for various other soulseekers.

This is where freedom of speech finds an end for me. Where harm to others not only is accepted,where it even gets provoked actively to force them into an organisation of any kind.
And this is where my greatest sympathy for the pagan faiths comes from: Pagans wouldn't missionize others. Pagans adapted their faith to new influences as they did not really believe in a faith as such, they tried to behave in a way that would help them live in their environment. Pagan beliefs evolved. Unlike the written faiths that will adapt to a changing world as does a containership to the waves. These systems of faith are doomed to drown in the long run.
Unfortunately, when it comes to topics like faith, the footprint of ages of scripture bending an interpreting to make its distributors stay in power have made the term "faith" develop a dynamic of it's own: A faith has nothing to do with finding solutions for survival and staying in touch with beloved ones who were lost, or, despite seeing the evidence that you won't survive life, work to build up something for a future.
Faith has become some kind of an ethnical statement.
The only way I see to stay out of this is not to get involved.
If you don't want to nail your foot to the floor-Well, don't!
If you see you ride a dead horse, get off it!
A faith that has separated itself from knowledge is such a dead horse in m book.

itnAklipse wrote:Outwardly you preach freedom, and when someone exercises that freedom to say something you find uncomfortable, you turn into the worst fascists immediately.

No-one's saying he can't say it - we're merely exercising our right to ridicule and pillory him for saying something that we disagree with. It is his (and indeed anyone's) right to say that if we don't believe in Jeebus then we're going to hell. It is our right to call him a slack-brained fcuk-wit for doing so.

And the world keeps turning.

God you people are sickening.

Ah, the big man had nothing to do with it, we're sickening all on our own

I always laugh when I see stuff like this. I'm agnostic myself, but I really dispise people trying to use "things as said in the Bible" as a way to get people to do what they want, up to the point where it becomes ridiculous. You just can't go submitting people to the will of something YOU believe and and thus everyone should believe in and obey. It's called freedom of opinion and religion.
I had a good laugh, but I still hate people doing this. Worse things have been done in the name of religion- inquisition, witch trials...

eotunun wrote:Nature makes nothing but mistakes, the least of which survive long enough to reproduce.

Clicky

Although I reckon she's a bit of a cow for referring to her kid as "Nature's Mistake".

i still am atheist and i still consider that video crap and the integralism (catholic or islamic) CRAP, CRAP, CCRRRAAAAAAAPPPPP

I finally found Jesus ...













He was behind the couch all the time ...

itnAklipse wrote:Where does this idea come from that spirituality should be a source of strength? i find this populistic, unfounded and simply nonsensical drivel.
What i mean is this: what is meant by strength in this context? Strength, as i understand it, is the ability to act in accordance with one's convictions, pure and simple. Strength is not some vague positive attribute that spirituality is meant to support.

I really don't enjoy having my own words mangled by someone else's bugbears. As usual Dei, you take issue with things that haven't even been said...
I did not say spirituality should be a source of strength. I said it could be. I consider the spiritual impulse to be utterly neutral, the inevitable product of the brain of an animal that has a high enough level of consciousness to question the nature of reality and our place in it - with all the awe, wonder and corresponding uncertainty that offers. It can be harnessed for good or ill as far as I can see.
When I refer to the strength that spirituality can offer I'm certainly not referring to blind faith or belief in something nice to cling to in the sea of the unknown that us humans found ourselves adrift on when we stopped rubbing sticks together to make fires, and started looking out towards the stars and in towards ourselves.
I do not approve of any "faith" that requires any absolute belief in the absence of knowledge. That absence of knowledge is our reality - we live in a universe of infinite possibilities, infinite uncertainty... but we cannot live our lives in a state that is dictated by a constant awareness of this. To do so is paralysis - and indeed some people do paralyse themselves in such a way, which was what I was really referring to in my original post. The desire to have absolutely cast-iron knowledge, perfect certainty, in something before you can hang your hat on it for the practical purpose of living your life... this is as destructive as blind faith. The tendency to "Question everything" seems to be an undoubtedly positive trait, but taken to its logical conclusion it can become a state of pathological doubt which is utter misery. We live in a world of shades of grey, yet still we have to make decisions, we have to hang our hats somewhere and decide what is important to us, what is the right way to live and so on. If we are to hold any conviction in anything on this earth, including ourselves and who we are, we must accept an inherent risk of being wrong. We must proceed in the face of the unproven.

What I think spirituality can do is give an individual enough awareness of their place in "the scheme of things" to have a level of objectivity about their own life which allows them a greater clarity in choosing how to live and what to value. There is an important difference between holding an absolute belief in something and simply holding a belief, as the best bet that can be made with best judgement.

itnAklipse wrote:So more than what i said earlier, i find boudicca's attitude frightening and if that kind of attitude spreads, it will only result in more dependant individuals in a ever-inreasingly totalitarian society where political correctness is everything for fear least someone should understand something wrong or buy into the wrong things.

God you people are sickening. Outwardly you preach freedom, and when someone exercises that freedom to say something you find uncomfortable, you turn into the worst fascists immediately.

Once again you distort my words and berate people for opinions they don't even hold.
I would never suggest for one moment that these Evangelical idiots should not be allowed to go on being Evangelical idiots. Hell, I don't even have a problem with the worst Nazis and bigots having the freedom to say what they want to. So don't put that one on me.

itnAklipse wrote:The world is a dangerous place and if you don't watch out _for yourself_, you're dead. That's the bottomline. That's how nature intended it (which is what boudicca as a pagan should well know, nature makes no mistakes).

I'm not a pagan. When I used the word "heathen" it was in the context of "not a Christian".... yes, I do have a lot of sympathies with pagan religions certainly, provided they don't get too bogged down in literalism and supersition (like all belief systems, they're liable to have their meanings perverted by the people practising them). I would be happy to hang my hat on the "pantheist" tag though, so fundementally it doesn't change your point, I revere nature. But I don't agree that "nature makes no mistakes". Nature, too, I see as fundementally neutral. It doesn't do correct or incorrect, it just does, it just is. Unless you believe we are moving towards some Great End in accordance with some cosmic grand plan which you have absolutely zero evidence for - which would make you as daft as the Bible bashers you despise.

God is like G.W. Bush, only more perverted.

Glad to have enlightened you.