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So I'm looking up various types of dance music on the interweb, and I stumble across this web-site - Ishkur's Guide to Electronic music.

Its a fantastic site, describing the development of dance music from the 70s to the present day, with lots of audio clips so you can hear selections of the various genres.

Imagine my surprise then to find that clicking on the 'Trance' tab on the left, reveals a number of sub-genres of trance including 'Goth'. Naturally I clicked on that and it revealed a tune that we are all very familiar with.

Its a fantasic website, although if you look at that bit it actually shows how Post Punk influnced certain forms of Trance, ie Goth - Industrial - EBM - Futurepop - Dark Trance. Goth isn't said to be a subgenre of trance, but a part of trance's history, in a very indirect way, and Ishkar says as much.

He's also very thorough and everything is very very well researched, including some very interesting information on early electronic music.
"This was pioneered by a load of different people, but mostly Brian Eno".

Some of the other genres are hysterical. "Casiocore" was depressingly close to some of the noises Legion's oversized calculator comes out with.

Brilliant website.

Not too sure about his facts though...

I have visions of each and every artist name-checked on that (superb) web-site complaining "We are not DarkCore/Ambient Techno/Neurofunk/Hard Acid/Progressive Eurotrance" with the same vehemence other artists state they are not G*th.

This is what the site has to say about goth music:

Technically not electronic music, unless you count it's giddy use of sound-enrichment studio techniques to give those wailing choruses that extra level of self-deprication and despair. Goths are not happy people. In fact, next to emo kids they are just about the most self-centred, whiny bunch of neo-narcissists on the face of the earth (if you're wondering what the difference is: classic narcissists go around telling everybody how awesome they are, while neo-narcissists go around telling everybody how awful they are). This doesn't mean you should hate the music. Far from it, it's actually quite snappy and fun. Just don't take it too seriously. The style is fine, but there are more colours in the world than black, y'know.

The style is fine, but there are more colours in the world than black, y'know.


Washed Out Black? Grey?

paul wrote:This is what the site has to say about goth music:

Technically not electronic music, unless you count it's giddy use of sound-enrichment studio techniques to give those wailing choruses that extra level of self-deprication and despair. Goths are not happy people. In fact, next to emo kids they are just about the most self-centred, whiny bunch of neo-narcissists on the face of the earth (if you're wondering what the difference is: classic narcissists go around telling everybody how awesome they are, while neo-narcissists go around telling everybody how awful they are). This doesn't mean you should hate the music. Far from it, it's actually quite snappy and fun. Just don't take it too seriously. The style is fine, but there are more colours in the world than black, y'know.

Funny as fck and astute.

Why the objection with categorisation though? Music is music. Unless it's goth.

<adopts lofty expression> But black is not the absence of colour. It is the absence of light. Black contains the same number of colours that white does...it just absorbs them better. Besides which, black is a shade, not a colour.

<steps down from high horse>

bookish I've not been to that site for ages, thanks for posting.

it's a non-chromatic pigme... ocht we've already done this

Colour is the absence of black.

Dark wrote:Colour is the absence of black.

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<adopts lofty expression> But black is not the absence of colour. It is the absence of light. Black contains the same number of colours that white does...it just absorbs them better. Besides which, black is a shade, not a colour.

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it's a non-chromatic pigme... ocht we've already done this

A nod to Hegel's colour theorem?