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Montreux
Posted: 03 Sep 2008, 19:02
by bismarck
I've been looking but I can't find the exact date Eld+co played Montreux in 1988. help? And was Lucretia the only song "played"?
Posted: 03 Sep 2008, 19:53
by iesus
It was a TV Show in June of '88
Montreux Festival 06-1988 (Broadcast TV)
Lucretia My Reflection
I think this Festival was 1 or max 2 days, so you are looking what date did the Festival happened...
I hope i helped
Posted: 03 Sep 2008, 20:08
by Patti82
According to this:
http://ftvdb.bfi.org.uk/sift/eventseries/1406 the festival was between 11/05/1988 - 18/05/1988. Can anyone verify this?
Posted: 03 Sep 2008, 20:48
by iesus
I found the producer
If it is helpfull his page is
http://www.productionbase.co.uk/view.php?uid=592217
Adrian Pegg (Production Manager)
and his job there was
1988, Production Manager
BBC Montreux Rock Festival 1988
Series of live pop and rock performances from Switzerland
No other info in there, i'm afraid...
According to
www.vamp.org the precise date for the sisters is
05.14.88 montreaux, switzerland
montreaux rock festival
(industry gig, live_vocals_
only)
address ->
http://www.vamp.org/Gothic/Text/sisters-discog.html
and a nice as complete as possible gig list in
http://www.freewebs.com/the-happening/tracklisting.html
according to him it is in June but the Golden Rose Festivl took place
as mentioned above in
Golden Rose: 1988
Start date
11/05/1988
End date
18/05/1988
.... - >
http://ftvdb.bfi.org.uk/sift/event/14384
pics from the gig are in
http://www.musicpictures.com/propxt/mai ... 988/ppno~2
3-4 pretty nice pieces
the thing that i read is that only front vocals are live, all instruments and backin vocals are studio recording....
Anyway we have found the date
14/05/1988 montreaux, switzerland
Posted: 04 Sep 2008, 13:04
by Norman Hunter
Ace Public Enemy photo!
Re: Montreux
Posted: 04 Sep 2008, 15:23
by stufarq
bismarck wrote:I've been looking but I can't find the exact date Eld+co played Montreux in 1988. help? And was Lucretia the only song "played"?
I think other bands played some songs too. Otherwise it would have been very short.
Sorry, just in that kind of mood today.
Posted: 05 Sep 2008, 09:30
by streamline
Live vocals?
Are we sure - I always thought Eldo mimed.
Hopefully I am wrong!
Posted: 05 Sep 2008, 10:46
by iesus
Yeap,
's vocals are 99% live.
All sources disagree about the date or are not sure, but in this matter agree that :
- All instruments and backin' vocals are pre-recorded (i have the feeling that this is not the album version although but some other mix propably... there are some differences in some parts... not structural but others...)
- Front vocals are live for all artists ( like the eurovision [thing] )
Posted: 05 Sep 2008, 12:59
by stufarq
iesus wrote:- All instruments and backin' vocals are pre-recorded (i have the feeling that this is not the album version although but some other mix propably... there are some differences in some parts... not structural but others...)
I can't comment particularly on Montreux, but this was (and probably still is) common practice for TV shows featuring multiple band performances. It was too much hassle to set sound levels for every band (and impossible to do sound checks once the show was running), a lot of bands weren't very good live and even the ones that were didn't always reproduce the sound of the recorded version, which is what the broadcasters and audiences wanted. So lip-synching became the norm. But musicians' unions weren't happy about it and the compromise was that, instead of miming to the original recording, the bands could mime to a recording specially made for the show, so that they had actually performed. Hence the differences between the commercially available recordings and the televised performances.
I suppose these recordings would have much the same status as radio sessions.
One memorable instance of lip-synching at Montreux involved Simon Le Bon throwing his microphone from hand to hand and missing, so that it flew off stage, leaving him to sing into the mic stand. To his credit, he just laughed and carried on. There are loads of other wonderful lip-synch debacles, such as the infamous All About Eve incident on Top of the Pops and the many bands who deliberately misbehaved during performances to register their protest at having to mime. Some are listed here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_of_the_Pops#Miming
Posted: 05 Sep 2008, 13:12
by markfiend
Good link that.
Ta.
Posted: 08 Sep 2008, 17:19
by jost 7
stufarq wrote:iesus wrote:- All instruments and backin' vocals are pre-recorded (i have the feeling that this is not the album version although but some other mix propably... there are some differences in some parts... not structural but others...)
I can't comment particularly on Montreux, but this was (and probably still is) common practice for TV shows featuring multiple band performances. It was too much hassle to set sound levels for every band (and impossible to do sound checks once the show was running), a lot of bands weren't very good live and even the ones that were didn't always reproduce the sound of the recorded version, which is what the broadcasters and audiences wanted. So lip-synching became the norm. But musicians' unions weren't happy about it and the compromise was that, instead of miming to the original recording, the bands could mime to a recording specially made for the show, so that they had actually performed. Hence the differences between the commercially available recordings and the televised performances.
I suppose these recordings would have much the same status as radio sessions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_of_the_Pops#Miming
i always felt the same for the tv-performance of temple of love, together with ofra - obviously not identical to the studio mix, although only minor changes.
this practice lead to really strange recordings, like frankies' 'the power of love' having all it's strings (which are a basic part) replaced by a very spooky synth. as far as i have read about it, artist always feared if the mix between the still used finished studio tracks and the especially for the occasion prerecorded tracks would be ok for the musicians accociation to accept it as a session recording
strange times back then
Posted: 08 Sep 2008, 22:14
by stufarq
The best/worst incident of Sisters' miming has to be More on TOTP, with everyone showing off their guitar playing skills during the blatantly guitar-free keyboard "intro" that takes up half of the song.
The Frankie one wasn't all that strange, as the 12" mix had synth but no strings for the first half.
stufarq wrote: It was too much hassle to set sound levels for every band (and impossible to do sound checks once the show was running), a lot of bands weren't very good live and even the ones that were didn't always reproduce the sound of the recorded version,
I've just realised that this may look like I'm trying to justify the policy, which I'm certainly not. I probably should have said that it was too much hassle for those who weren't prepared to put in the effort. Shows like Later With Jools Holland (and am I right in thinking both Whistle test and The Tube?) seem to have no problem doing it.
Posted: 09 Sep 2008, 08:58
by markfiend
Yeah. They killed the Whistle Test when they started letting acts mime.
Posted: 08 Oct 2010, 00:30
by Fodderstompf
All well and fine, but Montreux Rock Festival was not the Golden Rose
Festival ... Montreux Rock was between 24 and 31 May 1988. Teehee.
Posted: 08 Oct 2010, 07:10
by lachert
June 3 1988, Montreux Festival, BBC1 (UK), broadcast version
"Lucretia My Reflection" played live. (2.30)
June 3 1988, Montreux Festival, BBC1 (UK)
Longer recording than the one broadcast on TV. Includes "Lucretia My Reflection", "This Corrosion", as well as backstage footage. (14.20)
i need the second video. anyone?
