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Very real threat to live music in the UK!

Posted: 22 Jan 2009, 10:23
by Dr Cerebus
I received this today regarding Electronic Noise Control:

Please see below for a petition to try and prevent a major threat to live music in smaller venues, making the installation of electronic noise control devices a requirement for having an entertainment license.

These devices (there are several in Bristol already) are a bloody nightmare, they're always calibrated far too sensitively and they're also always active, so even early evening gigs and DJs are affected. One gig we played at the Shakespeare resulted in our bass player having to give up completely, every note he played triggered the damned thing, and Chris Scott can make the things cut off just with his own voice, FFS. It played havoc with our equipment too, PA speakers and backline amps don't take kindly to having their electricity suddenly cut, and I spent half the night trying to coax our kit back to life again. It made a simple electric blues gig completely impractical, if we played quietly enough not to trigger the device you could barely hear us over the level of the crowd!

In short it's a blanket, generalised restriction affecting a large body of people, just to placate a small handful of complaints from residents. There has to be a better way than this.

It's definitely a worthwhile cause and they've got over 70,000 signatures so far, so here's hoping this is taken seriously.

Anyway, if like me you think this is an unreasonable and impractical system, please add your name to the list using the link below. Musicians, publicans and live music lovers such as myself offer our thanks.

Cheers,

D / CG


The petition is here - http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/NoNoiseControl/

As you can see - this will have a very real impact on many places that those of us in the UK frequent. The petition expires tomorrow so time is of the essence.

Posted: 22 Jan 2009, 12:03
by Izzy HaveMercy
Can you PLEASE change that in a less appalling color?

IZ.

Posted: 22 Jan 2009, 12:10
by markfiend
Izzy HaveMercy wrote:Can you PLEASE change that in a less appalling color?

IZ.
Done :lol:
The Rules wrote:Don't abuse BBCode. Posting a message in mile-high purple letters might seem amusing at the time, but I can guarantee the result will not be as readable as you would like. BBCode is there to help you emphasise specific points. It's not a new artistic medium.
And fwiw, I already signed the petition.

Posted: 22 Jan 2009, 12:18
by Dr Cerebus
markfiend wrote:
Izzy HaveMercy wrote:Can you PLEASE change that in a less appalling color?

IZ.
Done :lol:
The Rules wrote:Don't abuse BBCode. Posting a message in mile-high purple letters might seem amusing at the time, but I can guarantee the result will not be as readable as you would like. BBCode is there to help you emphasise specific points. It's not a new artistic medium.
And fwiw, I already signed the petition.
Apologies for the use of colour.

Posted: 22 Jan 2009, 12:29
by Izzy HaveMercy
No probs ;)

Just to be curious, me being from Belgium and all, to what limit are these devices set then?

Something like 'above 90 dB you are f**ked'?

IZ.

Posted: 22 Jan 2009, 13:41
by markfiend
I think it's something stupidly low like 85dB.

Don't worry about the colour thing Dr Cerebus -- we'll get by 8)

Good first post by the way, welcome!

Posted: 22 Jan 2009, 14:46
by nigel d
having recently done a realy interesting and in depth IOSH course
the regulatory levels for noise control are now 80 and 85 dB

HASAWA says

@80 dB ear protection is mandatory

@85 dB there must be an engineered solution to reduce the noise level and restrictions on the length of time persons may be exposed to such levels.

probably introduced in venues to protect the hearing of staff in their workplace.

Posted: 22 Jan 2009, 14:47
by Izzy HaveMercy
markfiend wrote:I think it's something stupidly low like 85dB.

Don't worry about the colour thing Dr Cerebus -- we'll get by 8)

Good first post by the way, welcome!
Hmmz... I would not call 85dB 'stupidly low' but then again I'm a bit biased about all this.

90-95 dB should be a good point tho.

I'm sorry for refraining to sign the petition Dr Cerebus, as a musician myself I really understand your point, but it's about time something is done about these ridiculously loud concert volumes.

But knowing the Breeteesh, they turn around a 180 degrees in that case :roll:

Anyway, good luck with this, as said, I do know how you must feel when all goes tits up and your equipment gets damaged...

IZ.

Posted: 22 Jan 2009, 15:07
by Spigel
I have a fair idea whose fault it is
clicky

Posted: 22 Jan 2009, 17:55
by DOZMEISTER
Read elsewhere that this is a hoax. A spokesperson from goverment knows nothing about it. Most local authorities have had the power to insist on noise limits for ages anyway.

Posted: 22 Jan 2009, 21:54
by darkparticle
I noticed BEN GUNN! has signed up...

*Pedant moment* More like the re-birth of live music? Acoustic only sets, no repetitive electronic beats :innocent:

Posted: 22 Jan 2009, 23:17
by boudicca
I do not like when it's so loud that your lungs vibrate :eek:

Posted: 22 Jan 2009, 23:44
by stufarq
DOZMEISTER wrote:Read elsewhere that this is a hoax. A spokesperson from goverment knows nothing about it. Most local authorities have had the power to insist on noise limits for ages anyway.
Not quite a hoax but certainly out of date. The legislation was never passed and wouldn't have been as draconian as suggested.

Clicky

Posted: 23 Jan 2009, 11:33
by markfiend
boudicca wrote:I do not like when it's so loud that your lungs vibrate :eek:
Lightweight! :lol:

Posted: 23 Jan 2009, 11:38
by Silver_Owl
DOZMEISTER wrote:Read elsewhere that this is a hoax. A spokesperson from goverment knows nothing about it. Most local authorities have had the power to insist on noise limits for ages anyway.
That was my initial reaction. It sounds like a bad Chris Morris gag. :|