Hillsborough
Posted: 15 Apr 2009, 12:34
Doesn't seem like 20 years since being on a liverpool bus listening to events unfold on the bus driver's radio.
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Posted: 15 Apr 2009, 12:45
I was living in Sheffield when it happened and used to go to Hillsborough ground to watch Weds play. Terrible tragedy, I blame the police.
Posted: 15 Apr 2009, 12:49
I blame the Liverpool fans.
Sorry, but after the Heisel stadium thing, they should have known better than to turn up mob-handed with no tickets.
Sorry, but after the Heisel stadium thing, they should have known better than to turn up mob-handed with no tickets.
Posted: 15 Apr 2009, 16:10
I'll ignore Mark's comments..
I was hitching out of Rugby to Nottingham and saw the faces of the returning Forest fans.
Like Emily, I'd heard snippets on the radio of 'something' unfolding at the ground - and in that day and age wasn't unusual for crowd trouble to stop a game. So , when the news came through that it was actually not violence but a safety issue, that's when people began to show real concern.
The people of Liverpool have always remembered the 96 who died, but the people who died at Heysel aren't so 'lucky' for some reason. And it saddens me, although I'm an Evetonian, that they aren't remembered as publicly in one form or another.
Both tragedies effected everyone in Liverpool. Merseyside families are often divided in loyalty to football teams but will always be united by tragedy.
Hands across Stanley Park. From The Blues to the Reds .
I was hitching out of Rugby to Nottingham and saw the faces of the returning Forest fans.
Like Emily, I'd heard snippets on the radio of 'something' unfolding at the ground - and in that day and age wasn't unusual for crowd trouble to stop a game. So , when the news came through that it was actually not violence but a safety issue, that's when people began to show real concern.
The people of Liverpool have always remembered the 96 who died, but the people who died at Heysel aren't so 'lucky' for some reason. And it saddens me, although I'm an Evetonian, that they aren't remembered as publicly in one form or another.
Both tragedies effected everyone in Liverpool. Merseyside families are often divided in loyalty to football teams but will always be united by tragedy.
Hands across Stanley Park. From The Blues to the Reds .
Posted: 15 Apr 2009, 16:21
the feel of a whole city in mourning is not something you forget.
Posted: 15 Apr 2009, 16:27
IMO, it's overly simplistic to blame any one group. And that includes the police and (yes) the fans.
What I posted was a (hamfisted admittedly) riposte to silentNate's "I blame the police".
So yeah, my comments were badly judged. But I'll leave it up there and take any flak I get, rather than trying to hide it.
What I posted was a (hamfisted admittedly) riposte to silentNate's "I blame the police".
So yeah, my comments were badly judged. But I'll leave it up there and take any flak I get, rather than trying to hide it.
Posted: 15 Apr 2009, 16:37
Mark, your a top dude and I'm not gonna criticise you in any shape or form for having an opinion on the matter - That's the beauty of living in the this society, we should be able to express our views openly and without prejudice.
The only thing that angers me is that after twenty years, endless 'report's and witness accounts from both sides - no one can quiet put a lid on this whole situation and account blame to some one. And maybe we never will - let's just move on and hope and pray something like this never happens again.
And maybe it's time FIFA felt the same way and told the governing bodies of African football to watch and learn from today's events and memorials before they stage another game like they did last month when people were crushed to death - for the crime of just going to watch a football match.
The only thing that angers me is that after twenty years, endless 'report's and witness accounts from both sides - no one can quiet put a lid on this whole situation and account blame to some one. And maybe we never will - let's just move on and hope and pray something like this never happens again.
And maybe it's time FIFA felt the same way and told the governing bodies of African football to watch and learn from today's events and memorials before they stage another game like they did last month when people were crushed to death - for the crime of just going to watch a football match.
Posted: 15 Apr 2009, 16:49
Thanks. That means a lot. 
Posted: 15 Apr 2009, 19:04
Check out Jimmy McGoverns excellent drama-documentary about Hillsborough on ITV3 tonight at 9pm.
Posted: 15 Apr 2009, 19:14
One small thing to anyone who blames drunken, ticketless Liverpool fans 100% for this tragedy then was it "drunken, ticketless Liverpool fans" who caused a crush at Lepping Lane the year before (Manc Utd iirc) luckly no-one died that year or was it "drunken, ticketless Liverpool fans" who caused another crush back in the semi's in 1981 (Tottenham this time) again it was luck that no-one died.
Posted: 15 Apr 2009, 22:54
Absolute bollocks- if you knew the Hillsborough ground or had spoken to people who had been there you would have a little more respect than to make such comments.markfiend wrote:I blame the Liverpool fans.
Sorry, but after the Heisel stadium thing, they should have known better than to turn up mob-handed with no tickets.
I can only hope markfiend took your advicesnowey wrote:Check out Jimmy McGoverns excellent drama-documentary about Hillsborough on ITV3 tonight at 9pm.
Posted: 16 Apr 2009, 09:47
Fair enough. No offence meant.
markfiend wrote:So yeah, my comments were badly judged. But I'll leave it up there and take any flak I get, rather than trying to hide it.
Posted: 16 Apr 2009, 10:42
With no 'Disrespect' to this tragedy, I stood on the Leppings Lane Terrace once upon a very long time ago for an FA Cup Semi-Final (Pre Hillsborough) - It seemed pretty dangerous even then, and I'm tall (6' 3") ... However, why can't we still have Terracing for those who want to 'take the risk' (signing a 'disclaimer' or something?) and enjoy the 'rush' (literally and metaphorically), eh? ... Sensible comments Pretty Please?
Posted: 16 Apr 2009, 11:53
it was a tragedy, but still, after the Heysel where lot of italians lost their life due to Liverpool's fans stupidity, i've lost all the sympathy i had for english foot-ball and in Liverpool team
Posted: 16 Apr 2009, 18:24
i can't believe it was 20 years ago either. my best mate michael and his dad and uncles all had tickets for (one of) the pens in which everyone died. it was sheer fluke ( and if i remember correctly, michaels dad being late ariving )that they were wrongly forced into the back of the adjoining pen as it was closed by the weight of the crowd pushing into where they should have been as it was fatally reopened.
tried all day to get thro' to to the emergency line without success. roared my eyes out when i walked into the pub and he was sat in the corner. makes me shiver even now.
it was definitely the police's fuck up- and in no way related to hooliganism as was heysel. i'm sorry, but the tragedy of heysel was down to the despicable eighties culture of football violence and not individual teams/fans. ramone is spot on.
tried all day to get thro' to to the emergency line without success. roared my eyes out when i walked into the pub and he was sat in the corner. makes me shiver even now.
it was definitely the police's fuck up- and in no way related to hooliganism as was heysel. i'm sorry, but the tragedy of heysel was down to the despicable eighties culture of football violence and not individual teams/fans. ramone is spot on.
Posted: 16 Apr 2009, 21:55
I remember the days that I went to fitba with my Da. We arrived at the stadium, we bought our tickets there and then (:eek:), they cost 120 Belgian Francs (at about 3 euro) a head.
We stood side by side with opponent supporters, we booed our own as well as the opponents, we had a beer with the opponent fans afterwards in the canteen, and we all cheered when both football teams came into the canteen to have a beer with us.
Life was so simple back then.
I hope my daughter develops an interest in music, really. The advantages of not having a son become painfully obvious...
IZ.
We stood side by side with opponent supporters, we booed our own as well as the opponents, we had a beer with the opponent fans afterwards in the canteen, and we all cheered when both football teams came into the canteen to have a beer with us.
Life was so simple back then.
I hope my daughter develops an interest in music, really. The advantages of not having a son become painfully obvious...
IZ.
Posted: 16 Apr 2009, 22:29
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Posted: 18 Apr 2009, 15:32
I've never gone to a football match, or been particularly interested in watching sport.Izzy HaveMercy wrote:I hope my daughter develops an interest in music, really. The advantages of not having a son become painfully obvious...
IZ.
But then, I suppose I'm not the best example of masculinity.
Posted: 18 Apr 2009, 15:33
Out-femme'ing me again, ya bastardDark wrote:I've never gone to a football match, or been particularly interested in watching sport.
But then, I suppose I'm not the best example of masculinity.
:lol:Posted: 18 Apr 2009, 19:09
Iz, dear, don't fret. i'm an ardent footy fan who's dragged mr s out of bed at 6 am on a sunday to watch some world cup match that couldn't possibly have a bearing on england. i used to play in the FA women's league, and i still have my own pair of predators.