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As a possible source of light relief, who do YOU think 'Buggered Up Britain'?

Yes, I confess that I shamelessly stole this idea from my current read of the very same title, but it sort of inspired me to post this ...
(see Quentin Letts, 50 People Who Buggered Up Britain)

My own choice, without a second thought would be Richard Beeching who wrecked the once proud and pioneering railway system in Blighty forever & Think how the country might have been if we still had rural railways, unclogging the roads etc. etc. Beeching wins (loses?) it for me 'hands down' ...
So, let's hear and see your own figure of hate, pretty please? Oh yes, 'original' ideas of people who are not listed in the book would be even better, and let's not stop at Blighty either, eh? - International ideas are welcome? There are plenty of other sc*m who buggered up other countries too, needless to say ... Now is the time to reveal all?! Let's 'Name & Shame'?!

Pardon to Quiffy for not 'censoring' the 'B'-word, but as it was used in the title of the book, I thought it might be 'allowed' here, eh?!

Are you sure I don't need my spleen? I'd hate to vent it and then find out that it was important.

Anyway, in answer to your question, is it too obvious to say Thatcher? It is, isn't it? Which is as good a reason as any to say it: Thatcher.

Thatcher is fine with me, and she is also well slagged (deservedly) in the book too ...

Thatcher- coming from a former mining family I am in no doubt that the milk-snatching bitch ruined Britain

That Guitarist?

T'was those blamanches. I saw a documentary on the telly once.

stufarq wrote:Are you sure I don't need my spleen? I'd hate to vent it and then find out that it was important.

Anyway, in answer to your question, is it too obvious to say Thatcher? It is, isn't it? Which is as good a reason as any to say it: Thatcher.

And in the US, her partner in crime: Ronald Effing Reagan, the legacy of whose deregulatory policies vis-à-vis the banking industry is the destabilisation of the economy of the entire world. And that's only the most obvious of his crimes.

He's mentioned too ...

silentNate wrote:...coming from a former mining family I am in no doubt that the milk-snatching bitch ruined Britain

Mother Knows Best

oh, it's you again

but, but... I thought Russell & Ross were the purveyors of all the nations ills, what with Jade dying and not being able to save this once proud "Bully Boy" country?

So what I really want tae vent a fart on (I'll hing on tae ma spleen) is this:
Bat for Lashes. What divine sounds, the appearance on that usually heinous Later last nicht turned ma heid around!
Why the stupid (and it is extremely stupid) name and such fine snouds?

Thatcher for her disregard of the livelihoods of others.
Kinnock for being an ineffectual windbag when strength was needed, and a hypocrite to boot (campaigning for EU withdrawal yet now having his whole family feeding at the trough)
Scargill for his ego that he just couldn't quell when needed.
Ted Heath for poisoning relations with Europe for the past near thirty years due to his lying.
Blair for claiming "peace" in Ulster then creating a new batch of home-grown terrorists by his interference in other countries affairs.
Brown/Sir Fred for bankrupting us for generations, and making the legendary financial acumen of Scots seem like rather a bad joke.
Blunkett/ Jacqui Smith for wiping their backsides on Magna Carta.
Sir Ian Blair for turning the police into the Governments strong right arm.

Whoops - I'd assumed Reagan was included but this is in fact a glaring oversight - He & The Poisoned B*tch from Hell (Thatch) need their own entire (lengthy) chapters, right at the start of the book ... For 'convenience' (Taxonomy?) the 'chapters' are alphabetical, which I reckon is a mistake - Surely some are much more guilty than others (see above). Those already dead need disinterring, whilst others who are still alive might just get away with being permanently locked into the stocks for us to pelt with whatever takes our fancy, eh?

Whilst I'm in 'Full Flow' these are there as they should be:~

Richard Dawkins, Edward Heath, Rupert Murdoch, Alastair Campbell, David Blunkett, John Prescott, Tim Westwood, Charles Saatchi, Charles Simonyi, DIANA, Simon Cowell, Terence Conran, Jeffrey Archer, Alex Ferguson, Roman Abramovich, Gordon Brown, Tony Blair, Gordon Ramsay, Victoria Beckham, Alan Titchmarsh, Webonymous ... OBL ...

Well, here I would vent at all the people who offered to do work "without a VAT invoice" for many many years, just so we didn't have to pay tax on the job they did & they, in turn, they didn't need to declare it to the government.
Believe you me, they were the first people who went on the rampage when our government imposed tough tax hikes & declaration regulations for self employed citizens after taking the blame for the country's fcuked up economy.
In fact, the government here actually admitted (in a public speech back in 2006 IIRC) that they had been lying to the population about the state of the country's finances.
They took the hit for the people & then the people whinged big time!


You can spot them all too. They tend to have a Hungarian ribbon on the radio antenna of their Toyota Landcruisers/ BMWs/ Bentleys/ Mercedes.... etc.



Fuds!

I'm not sure what Dawkins has done to ruin Britain.

Thirty years of Thatcherism is largely to blame for this country's woes IMO

markfiend wrote:I'm not sure what Dawkins has done to ruin Britain.

Thirty years of Thatcherism is largely to blame for this country's woes IMO

Aye John Major didnae help either, there were no Jobs in the North East and no minimum wage, the yin I did get was £2.50 an hour full time

markfiend wrote:I'm not sure what Dawkins has done to ruin Britain.

I'm under the impression that his ideas on genetics can be a bit dodgy but I concur- no reason to see him on list

markfiend wrote:I'm not sure what Dawkins has done to ruin Britain.

Thirty years of Thatcherism is largely to blame for this country's woes IMO

I suppose Dawkins militant atheism could be called damaging to a country's traditional values, if it's values and laws are based on religious tenets.

As for Thatcherism, well, we had near thirty years of Socialism before that, and the end result was the same. Bankruptcy. What worries me is no-one seems to have a clue what comes next, and insist that the old ideas need a bit of tinkering to work when they are completely wrong.

Can I add Max Clifford to my list? And Piers Morgan.

DeWinter wrote: I suppose Dawkins militant atheism could be called damaging to a country's traditional values, if it's values and laws are based on religious tenets.

It's a good job ours aren't then isn't it?

Dodges Unlimited Inc. wrote:Richard Dawkins

Ah yes, the well known evangelist.

markfiend wrote:I'm not sure what Dawkins has done to ruin Britain.

Oh, alright. If you want a proper answer.

He's encouraged a culture where it's acceptable to call people deluded just because they don't believe the same things as you. Apparently there is only One True Belief and it is His. This is not an age (and nor is any other) in which intolerance can be seen as a good thing.

Having spent four years obtaining a science degree, I became well aware that scientists interpret the evidence just as much as anyone else. It would be fair to call science a belief system too. It's all very well to say that the evidence is there but it's what you choose to believe that the evidence means that's the real point and science has as many respectable opposing beliefs as religion.

Dawkins can believe what he likes. Except that everyone else should believe it too.

Atheism is a belief like bald is a hair colour.

I hear this a lot about Dawkins, but I'm not really seeing it. Is it intolerant for an atheist to express his opinion now?

DeWinter wrote:Can I add Max Clifford to my list? And Piers Morgan.

Only if I can add Murdoch!!

Not Roman. He saved us!

Dawkins does labour his points a little excessively, but what he has to say makes a lot of sense, you know.

Can I nominate Alan McGee? A post-going-off-the-rails Alan McGee, of course.

stufarq wrote:He's encouraged a culture where it's acceptable to call people deluded just because they don't believe the same things as you. Apparently there is only One True Belief and it is His...Dawkins can believe what he likes. Except that everyone else should believe it too.

Yup. Britain has always been perceived as a tolerant society - even for whackjobs like him. Unfortunately, he's gone over the top with it, making tolerance look like weakness, and lumping rational atheists in with raving loonies. And it hasn't helped with the ant-intellectual sentiment in this country any, although I don't know if that's the case on your side.

silentNate wrote:

DeWinter wrote:Can I add Max Clifford to my list? And Piers Morgan.

Only if I can add Murdoch!!

All tabloid press for the complete brainwashing of working class Britain.