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Posted: 25 Jul 2009, 09:23
by itnAklipse
...problem they can see is it would perhaps create disputes between neighbours? No moral/ethical problems even hinted at.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -door.html

And this ain't much better:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/ed ... racts.html

One more for good measure from across the pond:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/louise-ma ... 42307.html

Posted: 25 Jul 2009, 12:10
by eotunun
Hardly ever have I agreed with you quite as much as I do here.

Posted: 26 Jul 2009, 13:25
by Izzy HaveMercy
Just when you think you have read it all, you read this.

Is this for real, or is this an equivalent of the April 1st thing?

IZ.

Posted: 26 Jul 2009, 23:28
by Being645
:urff: ... some things will never change ... :urff:

Posted: 27 Jul 2009, 07:33
by nodubmanshouts
I'm not sure if you're referring to the content of the articles, or the extremely poor quality of the journalism?

Posted: 27 Jul 2009, 15:59
by Being645
I've been referring to the content, to be honest.

However, since you mention quality of journalism, could you give us any
examples of - in your opinion - better or good journalism on such issues?
Then please ... you're very welcome ...

Posted: 27 Jul 2009, 16:23
by markfiend
The first and third are ridiculous, obviously. However with the second, I think that most responsible parents would agree with the idea that education is a collaborative process between schools, parents and children; clear written guidelines setting out the expectations and responsibilities of all three parties can only help matters IMO. In other words, an implicit contract already exists, having things in writing simply clarifies the situation.

Posted: 27 Jul 2009, 22:02
by nodubmanshouts
I'm not fan of journalism, to be sure. I have to work with them occassionally in my job, and its never pleasant.... they never seem to let the truth get in the way of a good story.

In the firsts article, the phrase "rat on" sets a biased tone for the whole article, as does the picture of the classic nosy-old-neighbor peering out behind the curtains.

I'm not sure how the second article makes sense. I don't think you can be "forced" to sign any contract. In fact at the end of article, it pretty much says "Well, if you don't sign, and your kids our bad, we'll just it mention it in court."

Besides, I thought teaching discpline and good social behavior were partly the responsibiity of the school? I look forward to a contract which includes promises from the school not to allow bullying, crappy teachers who bugger off to watch cricket or take smoke breaks, no teachers strikes for years on end, and a maximum number of pupils per class. Coz all that happened in my school, and leads to bad behavior from kids.

The third article reads like they're missing out a lot of facts. I'm sure there's more to the removal to the parental rights than refusal of C-Section. Huffington Post has been well criticized for its anti- modern healthcare stances.

Posted: 28 Jul 2009, 01:08
by Being645
As to the first article, it takes a short look at the date of publication to know what's going on
- summer break. No reason to relax, though. Remember, control is everywhere!!! It makes
one feel sick, whether you're a tax evader or not, since even the poorest creatures have
someone in their neighbourhood to envy them ...

And it's so typical for this time of year. In line with politicians, certain
journalists do, of course,
quite deliberately add up to such regular agitation. It's just disgusting, disgusting to encourage
people feeling free to exercise control over each other by whatever means and even get
rewarded with one's "opponents" belongings if they bring up some evidence ... perhaps
because politicians who can afford to go on holiday might feel the need to keep up control while
they are abroad.

Everybody knows: if the chairman isn't there the mice do the go-go on the table ...

Heaven knows why this reminds me of the Third Reich and Hitlerjunge (I forgot the name of that protagonist). :urff: :urff: :urff:


Anyway, I have to admit that I'm highly allergic to all sorts of manipulation, pressure and control ...

Therefore, I wouldn't agree to signing any such contract as given in the second article, either ...
It's just another license to exert control over your neighbour when you feel the need to let off all
sorts of, say steam. Such contracts offer and present any chance for a real improvement as a threat ...

That's unbelievable. Parenting courses or counselling sessions oughta be promoted in quite
a different way. As it seems, they don't want people to take advantage of such offers, because
of the cost, I reckon, the state might have to answer for ...

And as to the last article, I don't think they omitted certain fact only on one side of events ...
It is very well known, that the social and health sector accommodate employees prone to
power abuse, manipulation, violence and - of course - control. Wherever legal regulations
support it, they're always in for any sort of concealed abuse ...

And again, date of issue 27th July ... feels like an attempt to re-introduce early 50ies or 60ies
standards to the 21rst century ... mind, otherwise - with this funny wave of optimism in the States -
there might develop something we used to call "progressive" a few weeks ago.


Perhaps - and definitely for my case - this whole topic should rather go under Vent your spleen ... :twisted: ... :lol: