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wayne on a debate about a rumour having him and andrew working together again in 2010:
"Dunno how this rumour started although I have my suspicions. Once and for all, as George quite rightly stated, this ain´t gonna happen. It´s a question I am constantly being asked and I guess over the last few years my position on this idea has softened a little and some of my answers could have been construed as my wanting it to happen. Not true. I am open to any exciting and challenging propositions and rejoing TSOM may well have fallen into that category just as recording an album with Miles Hunt & Erica Knockall does. But let me tell you a little story that demonstrates why this won´t happen.
Recently, TSOM played here in Sao Paulo and as I was around I thought I´d go and say hello to the ´Dritch and see the show. After all the last time I´d seen him (Mera Luna 2000) things between us seemed OK to me. So I asked George (my manager) to get in touch with his people to ask to put me on the guest list. The reply we received back was apparently from the ´Dritch himself and went something like this. ¨No f**king way¨. End of story.
Postscript: I heard that the show was awful anyway.
P.S. I also struggled with playing Temple of Love live, as did Gary Marx and Ben Gunn. It´s the principal reason we never played it, because we couldn´t."

this draws a picture of the fearless leader having gone a little insane, like colonel kurtz did once.
accusing the us of the war regularly but not willing to shake hands again is weird to put it mildely.

well this might be true or just another his-story.
first we, now, heard version of something only form the one side. second, this answer could come because of the way of "ask".
third, we still don't know what is true and complete story behind Wayne and Craig left of the band.
fourth, do you see a reason why somebody have to give a present to former co~workers who after when he left the work place start to tell everything to be atractions of journal/ist and to be on the "front page".
fifth, even Wayne said that the answer "was apparently from the ´Dritch". apparently doesn't mean for sure.

and after all, only he - Wayne - still talking about Von like he just can't answer to another boring question: "i don't want talk about rumours".or " i don't want to talk about the past".

and take a look and P.S.'s it ain't look like: i don't want fight anymore.

i really don't see a reason of shaking hand to somebody who did somethig like he. or course, imo.

i really don't give a crock about their recent relationship. i have a little of my own life.

now back to work.

Bartek wrote:
now back to work.

Ay!

Seems to me that this can be boiled down to:

1. Someone asked for a freebie.
2. The request was evaluated on its merits (can this person be useful to us, help promote the band, get us a decent record deal, whatever) and found wanting.
3. Request was declined.

Maybe if he'd said "George, drop a note to to say that if he fancies a beer while he's in town then I'm in the chair," things might have had a different outcome.

I would think that giving a gig ticket to a former band-mate is a bit like inviting an ex-lover, with whom you parted less than amicably, to your wedding.

EvilBastard wrote:Seems to me that this can be boiled down to:
I would think that giving a gig ticket to a former band-mate is a bit like inviting an ex-lover, with whom you parted less than amicably, to your wedding.

i hope you are kidding on this one, otherwise its dangerous

jost 7 wrote:

EvilBastard wrote:I would think that giving a gig ticket to a former band-mate is a bit like inviting an ex-lover, with whom you parted less than amicably, to your wedding.

i hope you are kidding on this one, otherwise its dangerous

I guess the point I was making was that both courses of action would be as misguided as the other. You can't stop them attending the gig with a ticket they bought, or showing up at the church (as weddings, at least in England, are required to be open to all comers), but you shouldn't necessarily invite them.

well, just consequent ...
If you leave, you are gone. No way back.

well, just in priciple. my overall impression is that andrew is not that open minded that he was many years ago. its a kind of standing still with by far too much complaining about other things, not doing things. i guess all know what we are talking about here.

seeing a band you have been in 25 years ago can't be a problem, even this particular situation. they are no kids anymore.

it's not to accuse andrew - thats his business, and we don't know the details of the brasilian incident also - its just that things could be much more prosperous in the sisters camp, and this also has to do with an unwillingness to move on

regardless of what might have been, they were friends at one stage, and the animosity around the whole split/sistershood thing seemed to have passed a long time ago

if that is what actually happened, i think its rather childish of andrew to say no.

they go back along way....

on the other hand, the tight-fisted, ligging b*****d should have splashed out on his own ticket of he wanted to go that much

i think EvilBastard summed it up nicely:

EvilBastard wrote:Maybe if he'd said "George, drop a note to to say that if he fancies a beer while he's in town then I'm in the chair," things might have had a different outcome.

its all pretty inconsequential anyway, in the grand scheme of things

Why didn't he invite the Sisters to his house, if he were so pleased to meet them ...

His band, his gig, his gig list. Why is he bad to not invite someone he doesn't want too?

Seems a bit cheeky of Wayne to chance his arm like that, and the resulting case of sour grapes doesn't really cover him in glory.

When all's said and done, Wayne does seem to have this bad habit of continually bringing up the past, whereas from Von's side it looks more like bygones are bygones (but with a certain aversion to going there again).

Claiming, or being able to claim, the moral high ground doesn't necessarily equate to being right in this or any other case though. I'm kinda wondering what it would have been like to have been a fly on the wall if that particular meeting had happened.

If it's true I think it's hilarious.

Quiff Boy wrote:on the other hand, the tight-fisted, ligging b*****d should have splashed out on his own ticket of he wanted to go that much

Pot Kettle Black

poor c**t wayne, another failure

_emma_ wrote:If it's true I think it's hilarious.

I couldn't agree more!

snowey wrote:

Quiff Boy wrote:on the other hand, the tight-fisted, ligging b*****d should have splashed out on his own ticket of he wanted to go that much

Pot Kettle Black

i wondered who'd say that first

it a fair cop

mh wrote:When all's said and done, Wayne does seem to have this bad habit of continually bringing up the past, whereas from Von's side it looks more like bygones are bygones (but with a certain aversion to going there again).

Yeah, this.

This is what I meant when I said that a reunion of the '85 line-up would more suit Wayne than Andrew.

I love the nickname 'Dritch. Don't recommend anyone uses it on him, though.

IZ.

timsinister wrote:I love the nickname 'Dritch. Don't recommend anyone uses it on him, though.

Never heard that used before.

As Quiff said, it's of no consequence really.
And I guess that's what thought too.

i've heard a few of andrew's older pre-von nicknames before - the original leeds crew seem to have had quite a few for him, my favourite being POD, as in Prince Of Darkness.

i gather he was particularly unamused by that one... which i guess is why they called it him

i suspect 'Dritch is/was one of wayne's pet names... i quite like it

Never go back.

There's a reason why that saying is so popular.

The Sisters have a strict policy for guest lists: they invite people they like, people they trust and people they owe money/drink/drugs/kit * too.

If you've ever been lucky enough to receive a freebie into a gig then it's probably because you fall into one of the above categories. Unless it's Quiff Boy, who "wins" because he is very difficult to shake off.

Incidentally, Wayne could never handle his drink - an evening in the chair with him would not last more than a couple of hours, which is longer than the conversation would last.

* Delete as applicable.

Chairman Bux wrote: The Sisters have a strict policy for guest lists: they invite people they like, people they trust and people they owe money/drink/drugs/kit * too.

I am honoured then.

Hom_Corleone wrote:

Chairman Bux wrote: The Sisters have a strict policy for guest lists: they invite people they like, people they trust and people they owe money/drink/drugs/kit * too.

I am honoured then.

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