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Sisters Artwork - Themes /Origins

Posted: 19 Jan 2010, 23:05
by Randall Flagg
I was wondering if anyone knew the origins behind the Damage Done artwork, essentially the origin or source of the photo on the cover.

Also given how precise Von is/was about the images, font and layout etc, I'm surprised that they used Gustave Dore's image from Dante's Divine Comedy for Body and Soul as Factory band Crispy Ambulance had used the same image a couple of years earlier.

Flagg

Posted: 20 Jan 2010, 09:51
by markfiend
I vaguely remember reading (on here somewhere probably) that the DD sleeve is a frame from an old silent movie?

Posted: 20 Jan 2010, 10:45
by lachert
poor that "1959 and all that" doesn't work anymore :( iirc there was a few information about sistres covers, as cooper's anaconda, national geographic's reptile house etc. :wink:

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Posted: 20 Jan 2010, 10:55
by Being645
It's still working, look ...

http://1959.tsom.org/

Posted: 20 Jan 2010, 10:57
by markfiend
Other covers:
Alice is "Blue Nude I" by Henri Matisse
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Body Electric is "Head VI" by Francis Bacon
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lachert mentions Anaconda, it's the cover of Alice Cooper's "Billion Dollar Babies":
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Reptile House see lachert's post

Temple Of Love is a commissioned piece I believe.

As Randall Flagg mentions, Body And Soul is from the Divine Comedy.

Any more?

Posted: 20 Jan 2010, 11:46
by MadameButterfly
markfiend wrote:Other covers:
Alice is "Blue Nude I" by Henri Matisse
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:eek: I have a painting very similar to this at home done by a friend's mother, no wonder Andrew S fell in love with it! :D

Posted: 20 Jan 2010, 11:54
by Chairman Bux
Temple was a Nanker Phelge job.

Posted: 20 Jan 2010, 12:07
by Silver_Owl
Chairman Bux wrote:Temple was a Nanker Phelge job.
'Gary, pass me that pencil. Craig that's rubbish, start again.' and so on....

Posted: 20 Jan 2010, 12:08
by Chairman Bux
Suffice to say it was the first and last time the drummer did the artwork.

Posted: 20 Jan 2010, 12:10
by Silver_Owl
Chairman Bux wrote:Suffice to say it was the first and last time the drummer did the artwork.
'Nuff said. :wink:
Good job done though. :D

Posted: 20 Jan 2010, 12:18
by Chairman Bux
And while I'm being helpful, there have been doubts raised elsewhere on here about the source & lineage of the Dante image for B+S.

Suggestions of deliberate sabotage and thievery are wildly over-stated, but I will say that the image was brought to the attention of The Sisters some time before it was actually used, and some time before the Crispy Ambulance record (which I've never heard of).

Posted: 20 Jan 2010, 13:05
by markfiend
Chairman Bux wrote:Temple was a Nanker Phelge job.
Ah. Like I said, I had understood that it was a commissioned piece (possibly from an art student). Thanks for the clarification.

Although most people will probably have to look "Nanker/Phelge" up... ;)

Posted: 20 Jan 2010, 13:36
by lachert
just for the image collection:

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Posted: 20 Jan 2010, 13:47
by paint it black
Chairman Bux wrote:And while I'm being helpful, there have been doubts raised elsewhere on here about the source & lineage of the Dante image for B+S.

Suggestions of deliberate sabotage and thievery are wildly over-stated, but I will say that the image was brought to the attention of The Sisters some time before it was actually used, and some time before the Crispy Ambulance record (which I've never heard of).
One day over high tea Danny told me 'that bastard Eldritch robbed our idea'. Though I believe it was to be a white colouration

Posted: 20 Jan 2010, 13:53
by jost 7
is the origin of anaconda really the alice cooper release, or was it also simply used thatfor and does come from a different source?

btw, bayon is a great place to be, although reptiles come from all over the world these days. middlesection comes quite close to the cover image.
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Posted: 20 Jan 2010, 17:39
by Chairman Bux
paint it black wrote:One day over high tea Danny told me 'that bastard Eldritch robbed our idea'. Though I believe it was to be a white colouration
Tsk. You should know better than to trust anything Mr Horigan tells you, especially over high tea - he only ever tells the truth after 8pm.

Posted: 20 Jan 2010, 17:57
by Quiff Boy
yeah, that matches what i heard...

i was told that the dante image was going to be the artwork for salvation's debut album "clash of dreams", scheduled for release on merciful release (but the colours reversed - red image on white bg) until they fell out with the MR staff, or possibly eldritch himself, and the album was binned - along with the artwork :|

something like this i guess:

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although the timelines dont quite work - from what i heard, CoD was supposed to be released in 1985, so unless danny had shown it to eldritch in late 83/early 84, i son't see how that works :|

or have i got the proposed release date for CoD wrong?

Posted: 20 Jan 2010, 18:49
by Johnny Rev 7.0
I was always under the impression that Mr E. was wholly responsible for the minimalist TOL artwork.
Chairman Bux wrote:Temple was a Nanker/Phelge job.
Brian Clough wrote:We talk about it for twenty minutes and then we decide I was right.
Perhaps Herr Chairman could clarify. :wink:

Posted: 20 Jan 2010, 20:21
by James Blast
Chairman Bux wrote:Temple was a Nanker Phelge job.
that's Jagger/Richards to them not clued in and

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Posted: 20 Jan 2010, 20:40
by Randall Flagg
Chairman Bux wrote:And while I'm being helpful, there have been doubts raised elsewhere on here about the source & lineage of the Dante image for B+S.

Suggestions of deliberate sabotage and thievery are wildly over-stated, but I will say that the image was brought to the attention of The Sisters some time before it was actually used, and some time before the Crispy Ambulance record (which I've never heard of).
That's fascinating, however the Crispy Ambulance 10" was released in 1980.

Flagg

Posted: 20 Jan 2010, 22:22
by pikkrong
so, what about Damage Done...? a silent movie?

Posted: 20 Jan 2010, 22:23
by stufarq

Posted: 20 Jan 2010, 22:40
by Big Si
pikkrong wrote:so, what about Damage Done...? a silent movie?
Y used to have a site with all of the test pressings (he owned them) on it. I remember there was an invoice to Gary Marx for the pressing costs, etc. The Damage Done cover was Gary's idea wasn't it? :?

Posted: 20 Jan 2010, 22:42
by lachert
Being645 wrote:It's still working, look ...

http://1959.tsom.org/
thanks Being645, i've got some geocities address :notworthy:

Posted: 20 Jan 2010, 22:49
by lachert
Big Si wrote:
pikkrong wrote:so, what about Damage Done...? a silent movie?
Y used to have a site with all of the test pressings (he owned them) on it. I remember there was an invoice to Gary Marx for the pressing costs, etc. The Damage Done cover was Gary's idea wasn't it? :?
poor that Y site is no more online but lachert still got that invoice:
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+ damage insert:

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nice, but nothing about the cover :?