Heartland

http://www.myheartland.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=21785

will let you know what it's about when i get it

i'm sure that this article is about making a new album

out today

single page interview with andrew & chris.



right at the back

here's a scan: http://www.myheartland.co.uk/temp/vive-le-rock.pdf

(i may end up taking that link down if the vive le rock guys complain... they are reading the site )

Surprisingly good article.Enjoyed it.

ribbons69 wrote:Surprisingly good article.Enjoyed it.

no newsbreaks but yeah - it didn't hurt to read it

thanks for sharing QB

Thanks for sharing that. I enjoyed it - they came across well.

Thanks. Interesting. Even though when I read it I feel like telling Chris to shut up (waisting ink) and let the big man speak.

Gollum's Cock wrote:Thanks. Interesting. Even though when I read it I feel like telling Chris to shut up (waisting ink) and let the big man speak.

Why? It's not like he's got anything to say anymore.

Thank you!
On a personal note, as a former record company person, I feel they both are extremely unfair, but what can you do. Bastards

I actually find Chris defense of Andrew a bit embarrassing, and the interview is almost depressing to read as it's such a "great" reminder of what situation the Sisters are in, aside from the odd groovy tour/gig, namely far beyond stalemate and stagnation, in a downward spiral.

I'd be very happy for anything new, like them playing Far Parade, one song that was written in 2009. As of february/march 2011, even that was hoping for too much.

I enjoy the live shows, but interviews like this just make me grumpy

The part about the new album got cut off accidentally.

Aazhyd wrote:The part about the new album got cut off accidentally.

... just like most of the jokin' ... ...

it's all such a dreary fiction...

nice to see the got an up to date piccy of Mr. E to use, eh Boss

here's an interestiing one to throw out to the Heartland Massif:

I met a thoroughly decent chap last night via The Word forum, he's about 12 years younger than me but we went to a lot of the same gigs, anyway he tried to get into HL but found all the fawning of Mr. E and his tribute act too much to stomach. He finds, what constitutes A Sisters just as meh as me, I did not solicit this reaction from him - I'd never met him before. He then waxed lyrical about how important a band they were and how let down and disappointed he was by them. He even broke down and wept at their 2001 Glasgow gig. I did try to assure him there were a few of us with fully functioning 'bullshit detectors' still on here. He may join us, anyway the point of my blathering is: the rest of the world no longer cares about a 'The Sisters Of Mercy' they've become just a brand. As he pointed out - "Only a matter of time before there's Katherine Hamnett Sisters' t-shirts on sale and they'll be more relevant than the band".
Nice bloke, far too good looking, looks like a young Robert Palmer but his credentials are snoud.

You mean, you have met someone else who knew your ex-wife and thinks she is a slut? No wait, you guys were talking about a band, I got confused for a moment. There is this disturbing similarity between bad marriages + the feelings some seem to produce towards bands

eh?

euphoria wrote:I actually find Chris defense of Andrew a bit embarrassing, and the interview is almost depressing to read as it's such a "great" reminder of what situation the Sisters are in, aside from the odd groovy tour/gig, namely far beyond stalemate and stagnation, in a downward spiral.

i got nothing more to add.

phh ... they are better now than in the 90ies ... much better ...

James Blast wrote:anyway he tried to get into HL but found all the fawning of Mr. E and his tribute act too much to stomach.

that part's about You.

This is the kind of discourse that makes Heartland so damn entertaining and unique.
The image of Mr. Blast's Robert Palmer look-alike crying at the 2001 gig is poignant
…until one starts asking why he is so upset and angry?

What exactly does he want from Mr. Eldritch?

Demonstrably, some fan’s ambitions for him are not the ones he had for himself. So what!

Personally, I think his decisions are sound and show a remarkable amount of personal integrity…which I respect.

However, there are some regular posters in here who are equally in awe of him and apparently hate his guts.
To you, I would like to suggest that you sound like embittered stage mothers.

American pageant stage mothers.

This is a dynamic that seems to be unique to Mr. Eldritch and The Sisters of Mercy.

Really.

One of my university pals is now a well-know Hollywood actor. He has fans. They like him…approach him in public…and sort of swarm him at Comic-Con every year.

I have witnessed it a few times, and I thought it was intense.
That was before I started listening to The Sisters of Mercy and visited the Heartland forum.
Your intensity eclipses even the Comic-Con fans who arrive in full costume.

Some of you people are ardent devotees …with all of the religious connotations of that word.

I cannot figure out what some of you expected from Mr. Eldritch; and why you feel so betrayed. That’s why I think a sociologist should study this forum. I think that something unique is going on in the dynamic between Mr. Eldritch and a number of people who seem to identify with the band.

Perhaps it is a Goth tribal thing.

Frankly, I now see some of Mr. Eldritch’s creative decisions as an attempt to get off of the pedestal, debunk your image of him, disown Goth, and re-claim his identity and his art as his own.

Good for him.

Edmogirl wrote:This is the kind of discourse that makes Heartland so damn entertaining and unique.
The image of Mr. Blast's Robert Palmer look-alike crying at the 2001 gig is poignant
…until one starts asking why he is so upset and angry?

What exactly does he want from Mr. Eldritch?

Demonstrably, some fan’s ambitions for him are not the ones he had for himself. So what!

Personally, I think his decisions are sound and show a remarkable amount of personal integrity…which I respect.

However, there are some regular posters in here who are equally in awe of him and apparently hate his guts.
To you, I would like to suggest that you sound like embittered stage mothers.

American pageant stage mothers.

This is a dynamic that seems to be unique to Mr. Eldritch and The Sisters of Mercy.

Really.

One of my university pals is now a well-know Hollywood actor. He has fans. They like him…approach him in public…and sort of swarm him at Comic-Con every year.

I have witnessed it a few times, and I thought it was intense.
That was before I started listening to The Sisters of Mercy and visited the Heartland forum.
Your intensity eclipses even the Comic-Con fans who arrive in full costume.

Some of you people are ardent devotees …with all of the religious connotations of that word.

I cannot figure out what some of you expected from Mr. Eldritch; and why you feel so betrayed. That’s why I think a sociologist should study this forum. I think that something unique is going on in the dynamic between Mr. Eldritch and a number of people who seem to identify with the band.

Perhaps it is a Goth tribal thing.

Frankly, I now see some of Mr. Eldritch’s creative decisions as an attempt to get off of the pedestal, debunk your image of him, disown Goth, and re-claim his identity and his art as his own.

Good for him.

Ehh,I just like his music

Being645 wrote:phh ... they are better now than in the 90ies ... much better ...

Their live performances are of a very high standard, that's not at all the problem for me, I still prefer to see the Sisters than any other band.

The sad thing is that the Sisters have ceased to exist as anything else than a nostalgia act, because that's exactly what Andrew said they were not, about a decade ago - and he was right then, but it does not apply now.

What I mean is that we have passed the stage of "wasted talent, why no new record, blahblah" and are now at a point where it is totally obvious to anyone that Andrew has no interest in the Sisters whatsoever anymore. The one and only reason they are still on stage is because there are enough people at the concerts to make it profitable. See the "if it weren't for you pesky kids" comment at the Leeds gig.

And that is what makes it annoying to hear them moan about the record industry, because that's simply not at all the reason why the creative process has stopped long ago.

Edmogirl wrote:Personally, I think his decisions are sound and show a remarkable amount of personal integrity…which I respect.

Going for the next paycheck, possibly putting on an entertaining show in the process.

I can appreciate the reasoning and would probably do the same thing.

This is the kind of discourse that makes Heartland so damn entertaining and unique.

it's not though, it's just a function of the internet. In the same way as we were having a robust discussion in the pub re the merits of PIL being back on the road. Pretty much every fan forum has the same outputs.

Well, moaning is mostly done by people with too much time on their hands, little (face-to-face) social contacts, no real hobbies. Most of them are male, over 30 years old, looking back instead of forward etc.

Conclusion: 75% of the HL-members...

paul wrote:Well, moaning is mostly done by people with too much time on their hands, little (face-to-face) social contacts, no real hobbies. Most of them are male, over 30 years old, looking back instead of forward etc.

Conclusion: 75% of the HL-members...

hihihi ... ...

euphoria wrote::::
The sad thing is that the Sisters have ceased to exist as anything else than a nostalgia act ...

I can't see anything nostalgic about The Sisters nor about my own life ...
They did a wonderful birthday party gig with their home fanbase in Leeds
which I absolutely enjoyed to attend ... that was entirely joy.
Oh yes, of course, it was also a joy derived from a history, but marked rather
by a "Thank you, we're happy" than by any nostalgic hankering after former times ... phh ... ...

Also their "That [the former times] was for you, this is for us" does not only sound
perfectly legitimate in my ears, but yeah, is another reason for congratulations! ... ... ...

They celebrate their 30 Years on Stage Anniversary, another decade is gone
and they are quite obviously on the brink of a new one, experimenting with
new covers, with new constellations and with new technical means (see the
Filmic Delights and the lights in general) and have technically improved a lot...
I definitely enjoy this lightness ... which I consider coming from experience,
competence, decision amd pleasure in what they are doing, i.e. The Sisters of Mercy.
What else do you want?

I think, for The Sisters today, they have the best conditions they ever had.
Every member has some other project running, there is no pressure or need
to release anything in the short run, birthday celebrations are still going on,
and the nostalgic approach of the media towards them has largely decreased.
I would call this a great success and a good basis for the future ... nostalgia, phh ...
well, ok, if I want some nostalgia (which I might also enjoy at times), I go listen and see The March Violets ... ...