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no, I don't think so

Still, I want to see that at AB. Why's nothing out on their site yet, aargh!

Sans Hooky, but I still wanna go see that very much!
The Ab on a Monday night? That should be doable... if only we can get our hands on some tickets.

No Hooky. No New Order!

I must have horsed up bass lines to be satisfied fully.

That's not New Order - that's bang out of order! Call it what it is - Bad Lieutenant with special guest Gillian Gilbert on keyboards. Barney ripped the p*ss out of Hooky for his karaoke joy divison but now he's apparently getting his own back!

Seems so.

TBH Barney was the worst member in New Order.

Once he went all Ibiza it was curtains.

Pista wrote:No Hooky. No New Order!

Suite to come.
It would be sad if it was full NO back on road and it's sad without Peter Fuckin' Hook. Perverts anyway.

Pista wrote:Once he went all Ibiza it was curtains.

How true

having been to a couple of bad lieutenant gigs and witnessing first hand the sound and the audience's reaction to the handful of NO songs they played, i can honestly say they won't miss hooky live.

his style can be recreated if they really have to, and his *ahem* looseness didn't actually add that much to the tightness of their machine-driven sound.

as much as hooky is an inspiration to all cool bassists, i don't see a live NO suffering from his absence.

watching hooky's band 'the light' a couple of times, i was slightly shocked by just how slack he was. he only played a few trademark riffs the entire gig. the rest of the bass parts were played by someone else.

more interesting for me is that a band with the size and reputation of NO are playing the same venues as the sisters, who many people think have been on the wane for years.

Quiff Boy wrote:having been to a couple of bad lieutenant gigs and witnessing first hand the sound and the audience's reaction to the handful of NO songs they played, i can honestly say they won't miss hooky live.

his style can be recreated if they really have to, and his *ahem* looseness didn't actually add that much to the tightness of their machine-driven sound.

as much as hooky is an inspiration to all cool bassists, i don't see a live NO suffering from his absence.

watching hooky's band 'the light' a couple of times, i was slightly shocked by just how slack he was. he only played a few trademark riffs the entire gig. the rest of the bass parts were played by someone else.

That's not the point though.

IIUC They had an agreement way back, that if anyone left they would change the name of the band. This is why they stopped being Joy Division after Ian "left". By that score, New Order minus Hooky is not New Order.

Quiff Boy wrote:more interesting for me is that a band with the size and reputation of NO are playing the same venues as the sisters, who many people think have been on the wane for years.

Now you're right here, that does make you stop and think.

markfiend wrote:IIUC They had an agreement way back, that if anyone left they would change the name of the band. This is why they stopped being Joy Division after Ian "left". By that score, New Order minus Hooky is not New Order.

ah, i hadn't considered that. good point.

although having said that, NO have a history of contracts (formal and informal) being largely ignored.

markfiend wrote:

Quiff Boy wrote:more interesting for me is that a band with the size and reputation of NO are playing the same venues as the sisters, who many people think have been on the wane for years.

Now you're right here, that does make you stop and think.

unless of course said venues can be partitioned to allow for both mid-sized and large gigs in the same space... i know some venues can be tweaked in such a way as they can cater for 500 ppl and for 2500 ppl by shifting a few walls, and adjusting some terracing.

for those interested. It's on there. Pre-sale starts 9-9

42 euro for a ticket. That's 20 euro to see the band and 22 euro for Hooky's lawsuit.

IZ.

Izzy HaveMercy wrote:42 euro for a ticket. That's 20 euro to see the band and 22 euro for Hooky's lawsuit.

IZ.

I'm not exaclty follow logic- one of member left- band can't keep up under the same name. JD was mainly I.C. - in the end he was frontman- but NO wasn't only about P.Fuckin' H., it was band with members of JD.

Bartek wrote:I'm not exaclty follow logic- one of member left- band can't keep up under the same name. JD was mainly I.C. - in the end he was frontman- but NO wasn't only about P.Fuckin' H., it was band with members of JD.

It's all about agreements eh? I don't know what they came up with in that backstage on their last tour together...

IZ.

Well if it was some agreements then yes, they shouldn't do it under NO. If. Anyhow, watining for news from The Sun about Le Suite.

bangles wrote:Barney ripped the p*ss out of Hooky for his karaoke joy divison

mani had a similar rant about hooky last year too.

http://www.nme.com/news/joy-division/52918

Mani accuses Peter Hook of 'living off Ian Curtis' money' as Freebass split Bassist rants on Twitter as the group break up before album release

Primal Scream bassist Mani has lambasted former Joy Division and New Order bassist Peter Hook, accusing him of "living off Ian Curtis' blood money".

Freebass, the band the pair were in earlier this year, have also announced their split.

Mani posted a host of outbursts on his Twitter account, Twitter.com/maniscream, attacking Hook for supposedly exploiting his past glories. Hook recently performed a series of shows where he played Joy Division's 'Unknown Pleasures' album in its entirety.

I saw Mani driving past me in Leeds the other week.

Well, if it wasn't Mani, I'm puzzled to know who was the scruffy cnut in the flash Merc with a personalised plate ("M4NNI" IIRC)

i occasionally see him drinking in bars around manchester, usually followed by a flock of scally lads trying to get a conversation out of him

i imagine eldritch used to get a similar level of harassment from goff boys and girls in leeds in the late 80s

no wonder that he moved to Hamburg and from there to another place.

Quiff Boy wrote:i occasionally see him drinking in bars around manchester, usually followed by a flock of scally lads trying to get a conversation out of him

i imagine eldritch used to get a similar level of harassment from goff boys and girls in leeds in the late 80s

Erm. Well, if you include "early 90s" in there, I do recall one evening in the Faversham where his reaction to the prescence of a group of us (and we weren't hassling him at all) was something along the lines of "the only trouble with Leeds is all the bloody gothics!"