Page 1 of 2

encores, in general

Posted: 25 Sep 2011, 00:18
by James Blast
Marcus Shaw of the Rocking Vicar wrote:The more you think about it, the dafter the whole pantomime becomes. Pre-rock, the purpose of an encore was to rewarded a particularly exemplary performance by an orchestra or artist, by refusing to allow them to leave the building until they had graced and auditorium with one more tune. This probably culminated in a standing ovation and a shower of roses. But it was the exception. It existed to denote a rare pleasure and satisfaction felt by the audience. Quite when rock tours started to include a compulsory encore in every night’s set isn’t really clear, nor why. Perhaps it was an attempt to convince the punters they had attended a uniquely excellent show and to buy albums as a memento. Or at least to demonstrate value for money – sort of a 10% extra free with every band watched? Either way, it caught on like wildfire and has been adopted by almost every live rock or pop group since.

I can just about fathom the appeal to a band’s fans. A gig is their opportunity to demonstrate their undying appreciation for the act’s talent and charisma. Bellowing and cheering throughout the set is all very well, but to summon their idols back to the spotlights for further performance feels like the apex of approval.

Except, they’re not. The band is returning come what may. It’s on the set list, it’s built into the timings and it’s probably even in the contract. The entire crowd could sit on their hands in absolute silence for the awkward hiatus and those boys will still pile back, ciggies aloft, white towels around their shoulders.

As an unwavering supporter of Manic Street Preachers, I’ve enjoyed them in concert on many occasions and I have seen them do encores. But happily, the band adhere to the original spirit of the concept, only reappearing on the odd occasion when the gig has really levitated and something stupendous has transpired (or more stupendous than usual – as I say, I’m something of an admirer).

So what exactly does the encore offer the band performing this charade, religiously, night after night? Other than a hollow feeling of pretence and repetition, that is? I can only assume that management have convinced the performers the adoring hordes will ditch them like a needy lover if they don’t follow their set with four minutes of darkness followed by the two big hits - deserved or not.

And, to be fair, they may have a point. But how pathetic is that?
pathetic is my call

Posted: 25 Sep 2011, 01:01
by Dan
I remember a m*****n gig where when it came to the encore Hussey said words to the effect of "We could go off now and you could shout for an encore, but f**k that, let's just carry on and we can fit in an extra song" and then going straight into the next song.

Posted: 25 Sep 2011, 11:17
by markfiend
I suppose the break before the encore does give the band a chance to top up on the nose-candy...

Posted: 25 Sep 2011, 11:53
by moses
Isn't the hour long charade before the encore a bit pathetic also?

Posted: 25 Sep 2011, 12:21
by Being645
markfiend wrote:I suppose the break before the encore does give the band a chance to top up on the nose-candy...
... or have a cig, rather ... :wink: ...

Posted: 25 Sep 2011, 14:47
by Pista
Do you really think a band would come back on stage if their set was rewarded by total silence? How embarrassing would that be?

Posted: 25 Sep 2011, 15:44
by sultan2075

Posted: 25 Sep 2011, 18:42
by Pista

Posted: 25 Sep 2011, 20:51
by sultan2075
At their prime, they were one of the best live bands on the planet.

It's been too long since I've seen 'em to say if that's still the case for them, though. Time takes a toll on all men, and both Rontrose and Dancing Eagle have left the band.

Posted: 25 Sep 2011, 21:08
by Being645
Pista wrote:Do you really think a band would come back on stage if their set was rewarded by total silence? How embarrassing would that be?
Never thought about that ... :eek: ... so deeply used to that sort of punishment that I stopped to acknowledge that with notice ... :lol: ...

But of course, usually it were only natural ... keep off, stay away, go elsewhere, find another occupation ... if you can ... :wink: ...

Posted: 25 Sep 2011, 22:41
by Nikolas Vitus Lagartija
Dan wrote:I remember a m*****n gig where when it came to the encore Hussey said words to the effect of "We could go off now and you could shout for an encore, but f**k that, let's just carry on and we can fit in an extra song" and then going straight into the next song.
This happened at the Sisters gig at the Nottingham Union Rowing Club in '83 too (the tour when Ed Kuepper's laughing Clowns were the support). The venue was so unsuited to live music that the band had to make their way through the crowd to get to and from the stage, hence the early encore.

Posted: 26 Sep 2011, 17:47
by Obviousman
Being645 wrote:
markfiend wrote:I suppose the break before the encore does give the band a chance to top up on the nose-candy...
... or have a cig, rather ... :wink: ...
Or just to retune everything a little?

FWIW, I think most bands would better do away with the main set and stick to just encores ;D

Posted: 26 Sep 2011, 17:54
by James Blast
mental

Posted: 27 Sep 2011, 09:36
by Morale Vampire
Nikolas Vitus Lagartija wrote:
Dan wrote:I remember a m*****n gig where when it came to the encore Hussey said words to the effect of "We could go off now and you could shout for an encore, but f**k that, let's just carry on and we can fit in an extra song" and then going straight into the next song.
This happened at the Sisters gig at the Nottingham Union Rowing Club in '83 too (the tour when Ed Kuepper's laughing Clowns were the support). The venue was so unsuited to live music that the band had to make their way through the crowd to get to and from the stage, hence the early encore.
I remember that night, it was my 1st proper Sisters gig. People in the crowd swinging off bits of the ceiling, bassist getting quite vocal and almost pysical with the bouncer for reprimanding the young rascals. Good time.

Posted: 01 Oct 2011, 17:24
by DerekR
EATB the other night in York did a mini greatest hits set followed by the Ocean Rain album in full....perfect way to end a gig, except they ruined it and came back for two encores....why???

Posted: 01 Oct 2011, 18:40
by James Blast
"fourth album" game over :|

Posted: 02 Oct 2011, 10:34
by DerekR
James Blast wrote:"fourth album" game over :|
Don't you like it? You should have said....

Posted: 02 Oct 2011, 17:11
by Andie
James Blast wrote:"fourth album" game over :|
What was their 4th album? I gave up after Porcupine as it was a bit ropey with only a couple of decent tunes and shabby production values :eek: :innocent: :wink:

Posted: 02 Oct 2011, 17:12
by James Blast
Ocean Rain

I quite like Porcupine but yeah, the cracks were starting to appear. :|

Posted: 02 Oct 2011, 17:14
by Andie
The only good thing about Porcupine is the 25th Anniversary Edition with the lovely bonus tracks :)

Posted: 02 Oct 2011, 17:18
by James Blast
Got the first 3, all 25th Anniv. editions, and every tune's a cracker. Personal stand-out track is Broke My Neck (Long Version). everyone on earth needs to hear this tune. :D

Posted: 02 Oct 2011, 17:22
by Andie
James Blast wrote:Got the first 3, all 25th Anniv. editions, and every tune's a cracker.
Yeah...almost...still some of Porcupine is skipped over
James Blast wrote:Personal stand-out track is Broke My Neck (Long Version).
Indeed
James Blast wrote:everyone on earth needs to hear this tune. :D
:notworthy: :notworthy:

Posted: 02 Oct 2011, 17:28
by James Blast
Andie wrote:
James Blast wrote:Got the first 3, all 25th Anniv. editions, and every tune's a cracker.
Yeah...almost...still some of Porcupine is skipped over
Aye I guess, the title track is a real drag and Higher Hell is workmanlike at best, cracks appear? :|

stumbled upon this on Friday, worth a view for any EatB fans - http://www.dangerousminds.net/comments/ ... hall_1983/

Posted: 02 Oct 2011, 17:37
by Andie
James Blast wrote:
Andie wrote:
James Blast wrote:Got the first 3, all 25th Anniv. editions, and every tune's a cracker.
Yeah...almost...still some of Porcupine is skipped over
Aye I guess, the title track is a real drag and Higher Hell is workmanlike at best, cracks appear? :|
We're in agreement...WTF is happening??

Posted: 02 Oct 2011, 17:43
by James Blast
sorry, just edited my above post, clicky the linky it's well worth it

as for agreement, I allas thought we were apart from one time you took the hump at me, we've met, had a few beers, loadsa guid chat, similar backgrounds and age. I'm still on yer team man :D