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this was a band Gary Marx (or more properly Mark Pearman) was in pre-sisters; and although it was through HL i came across them (in a round-a-bout way via circle's site) i have never read anything about them on this site. is there anything else to know or does it say it all here?

Not much more than yourself. I was aware the band existed and had heard the songs before, can't remember how but it seems reasonable to assume the same source as you.

Didn't know that! Thanks for the link Lee.

According to a post on the Expelaires FB page, NV supported the Expelaires at the F Club on Dec 20th 1979. Legendary punks Abrasive Wheels were also on the bill.
The same post also lists the Expelaires and Ping Peg Slax as the support bands for the TSOM gig @ Leeds Uni on 13th June 1981.

Just went further back on the Expelaires website and there is even a photo of a flyer for the gig which was held at Brannigan's on Call Lane by the looks of things. Entry was £1.25 for members and 1.50 for non-members.
Of even more interest is a post from May 2013 with a photo of a flyer I've never seen before for the 1981 Fan Club Xmas Party which features TSOM with four other bands and Claire as DJ on Sunday 13th December.

Nikolas Vitus Lagartija wrote:Just went further back on the Expelaires website and there is even a photo of a flyer for the gig which was held at Brannigan's on Call Lane by the looks of things. Entry was £1.25 for members and 1.50 for non-members.
Of even more interest is a post from May 2013 with a photo of a flyer I've never seen before for the 1981 Fan Club Xmas Party which features TSOM with four other bands and Claire as DJ on Sunday 13th December.

Pleeeaaase, link this photo here so that I can abduct it to the SistersWiki ... ... with thanks to any source included, of course ... ...

I'll try to post a link.
This is hopefully the Sisters flyer http://tr-tr.facebook.com/1619163172950 ... =1&theater
and this is the Naked voices one http://tr-tr.facebook.com/1619163172950 ... =1&theater
and from the same site the early history of the Expelaires although you've probably seen this before http://tr-tr.facebook.com/1619163172950 ... =1&theater

@nik thanks for the digging.

@pat you're welcome!

Hello guys
I had buy this "Naked Voices" tape on Ebay to an uk guy on fev 2005.
The tape was noticed "Rare Genuine Demo Tape of Gary Marx Pre-Sisters "
Here is a scan of the ebay advert and the informations adding by the seller on his mail and the side A and B of the tape.
With the tape there is also four complete lyrics on A4 blue paper.
In july 2008, i have upload my 1981 Gary Marx demo + live tape on Dimeadozen (still available link) and i have think it was nice to add the pre-Sisters material item.
Till this time this material flood on the web.
Hope i have give some more details to this material.
Spiggytapes

Nikolas Vitus Lagartija wrote:I'll try to post a link.
This is hopefully the Sisters flyer http://tr-tr.facebook.com/1619163172950 ... =1&theater
and this is the Naked voices one http://tr-tr.facebook.com/1619163172950 ... =1&theater
and from the same site the early history of the Expelaires although you've probably seen this before http://tr-tr.facebook.com/1619163172950 ... =1&theater

Very nice! Thanks a lot, Nik! ... ...
All links work perfectly. So first of all, there is a "new" Sisters gig listed in the Gigography ... ...


@spiggymr7
I think I remember the tape was also on DCR (including the Naked Voices tracks)
I should have it on some external harddrive, will check that. Was the lyrics page with it? ... ...

Anyway, thanks for the pictures of the cassette... ... should be possible to make something of it ... ...

"Martin Taylor: Drums" - I know it's unlikely, highly unlikely, but one does wonder...

Being645 wrote:So first of all, there is a "new" Sisters gig listed in the Gigography

Aye, yet another F Club appearance - the legend grows !

Nikolas Vitus Lagartija wrote:

Being645 wrote:So first of all, there is a "new" Sisters gig listed in the Gigography

Aye, yet another F Club appearance - the legend grows !

Hah! ... ...

And hey!!! Found it just now!!! Here's the story:

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/clu ... pics/19222

John Keenan wrote: The 'F' jokingly referred to, f*** the Poly...

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* Hell, now I gotta integrate that into the SistersWiki somehow ... uhm ... not today! ... [/code]

That's a really thorough history of the F Club - great find, @Being !
The Sean Cavell referred to as Claire's fellow DJ resurfaced as the British punk DJ Sean Cassette, one half of the legendary DJ duo at the first incarnation of New York's multi-floor Danceteria Club, although he had left by the time TSOM played their first US gig at Danceteria's second incarnation in Sept '83. Apparently he and his partner now run residential batik courses in the South of France, not too far from chez Siouxsie. Funny old world.

mh wrote:"Martin Taylor: Drums" - I know it's unlikely, highly unlikely, but one does wonder...

that was my first thought. nice coincidence though.

@Nikolas Vitus Lagartija

Thanks for the info for the Tiffany's, Merrion Centre, Leeds 13.12.1981 gig , never seen this date. Also your blog is very interesting .
I don't know if you already know , but including an 1981 interesting gig revue that i date as March 1981( according to various informations on fanzine).
Maybe this could be the 19.03.81 LEEDS F CLUB as it was notice with Altered Images ,not 100% sure as i don't know if the 22.03.81 2 bands played together.
If it's the 19.03.81 , this is most old gig revue existing to my kwnoledge.
Source = WOOL CITY ROCKER Fanzine (Summer 1981).

@mh
@eastmidswhizzkid

Regarding the Naked Voices link on DCR website, there is my own text and i don't have more informations.
I was also surprised to see Taylor name on the Naked voices band, particulary on drums.
All i could said is that the guy from witch the tape come is a member of the Naked Voices band and he said that Martin Taylor is not family member of Andrews Taylor ,this is just a coincidence .
For this Naked Voices tape, Gary Marx explain on the Ghost Dance forum "Yes it features a youthful me, but it has nothing to do with anything that followed."

@Being645

"I think I remember the tape was also on DCR (including the Naked Voices tracks)I should have it on some external harddrive, will check that."

DCR took my text, my photo and my audio on there website and i used to credit me at the time . Actualy, all the Gary tape pics of the web are my own pics, i'm interested if someone got others.


"Could be, at least. We are not yet certain, whether this is not a fake.Anyway, this tape (or a tape as such) formed the basis for early bootleg releases like - for example - the Floorshow EP or the Green Eldritch."

On this Gary Marx tape, all the material was wellknow by all Sisters collectors, But i found interesting to share this as it was a nice stuff and i had never saw the lives with normal registered speed and with this very good quality for the early years .
I collect tapes since 29 years and i could tell that 4 and 7 05 81 material don't appear, on public circuit with this quality before.
The origin of this tape is Mark Pearman and this was notice on my original text on Dime.
Also a friend of mine ask for me to Gary who confirm that this tape was 100% genuine
This is not a fake .
Also i enclose a scan of the Naked Voices 4 lyrics you asked for

@spiggymr7 thanks again for sharing some of your early treasures with us. Glad that you've enjoyed my blog too.
That 1981 review - "formless block of noise", "one-dimensional" - is very similar to some of the more negative reviews from the 2014 gigs !
Date-wise, March 81 would seem right as the F Club only ran at Brannigan's (the cellar mentioned in the review) until May of that year. I couldn't find any references on the 'net to there being Wasted Youth or Orange Juice gigs on that night (a fan site gave 28th March as their date for their Leeds Warehouse gig) but that doesn't mean that the accepted date is wrong.
It's hard to remember how dark and alternative Altered Images were in those days. Championed (and produced) by The Banshees' Steve Severin (their John Ashton, if you like), their spooky debut single Dead Pop Stars was a Peel favourite and reached 67 in the UK charts (ie about the same level of success as NTTC four years later) around the time of this F Club gig. So pretty much like the Thompson Twins, TSOM played with future pop fodder "back when they were groovy" !

spiggymr7 wrote:@Being645
DCR took my text, my photo and my audio on there website and i used to credit me at the time . Actualy, all the Gary tape pics of the web are my own pics, i'm interested if someone got others.

I've only got those in the SistersWiki ...
http://sisterswiki.org/Gary_Marx_Demo_Tape

and yes, I've changed the info on that page ... ... thanks for your confirmation! ... ...

spiggymr7 wrote: Also i enclose a scan of the Naked Voices 4 lyrics you asked for
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aaahhh... wow ... ... thank you very much for these ... ...

Checking through these lyrics, they are actually not all that far from The Damage Done, Adrenochrome, Body Electric ... ...

@NikolasVitusLagartija

"I couldn't find any references on the 'net to there being Wasted Youth or Orange Juice gigs on that night"

Il faut juste me demander c est donc bien le 19.03.81 LEEDS F CLUB ,the second Sisters gig !

Cool. Another old gig to add to the gigography. It's not often that happens.



I notice though, the ad for 22nd March says "12 of the best known local groups". Would they fit the description of "best known" after having only played 2 gigs, the first only 6 days earlier!?!
EDIT: Never mind, I'm forgetting Damage Done.

Woah ! @Spiggymr7, you are the Flyer King !
With that evidence the second gig (and the first in Leeds) looks 100% certain to have taken place and I see that the ever on-the-ball @Being has already impressively updated the gigography.
A big to you both and if anyone else is sitting on similar treasures from 1981, please feel free to share !

Nikolas Vitus Lagartija wrote:(and the first in Leeds)

Unless you believe the rumour that they played a gig at Leeds Uni's Riley Smith Hall before the 16 Feb gig! I wonder if there's any flyers that'd prove or disprove that one?!

Do we know for sure that this event happened? Maybe it was announced and cancelled or something... Any source that this actual happened before update the gigography ?