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Please help: Is there a soundboard from a 1990 show available?

I'm specifically interested in replacing the bootleg recordings that 'graced' the Dr Jeep singles.

Call it 'padding' if you want, I call it 'correcting an injustice'.

The Doctor Jeep B sides were from 1985 and 1984; this show: http://sisterswiki.org/Fri,_10-May-1985 (Knocking on Heavens Door, Amphetamine Logic) and this one: http://sisterswiki.org/Thu,_08-Nov-1984 (Burn).

These are also, according to the Wiki, only in circulation as audience recordings.

Unless you mean replacing them with other recordings from other shows, in which case you should be aware that you won't be able to replace Knocking on Heaven's Door as it hasn't been played live since 1985. There are much better recordings of it available than that used for the B side however, including a rather good demo version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAUg22aQDh8).

@mh: I do have all the Dr Jeep records and CD. I am unfamiliar with the myriad 'live' recordings available, hence my original question.

I have downloaded Dr Jeep (as a benchmark) from the following 1990 recordings:

Speed Kings
Heidelberg 22/11
Wembley 24/11 Satanic Verses (what a crap name!)
Wembley 26/11

While the show from 24/11 is the best of this crop, it's still a far cry from what I'm looking for.

The search continues...

There are no soundboard recordings in general circulation from this era.

It was once mentioned that Annexet, Stockholm, Sweden (Tue, 21-May-1991) was from the soundboard but I'm not entirely convinced, though it is a great sounding bootleg. I also recommend Radio City Music Hall, New York City, USA (Wed, 24-Jul-1991) for nice sound too.

Thanks, for the pointers, I'll check them out, but it's still 1990 that I'm after.

In the meantime - scratch these too:

Sao Paulo 26/10
Rio 30/10
Hamburg 16/11
Hamburg 17/11
Berlin 19/11

Roskilde 91 is great too(Dominion boot)

Thanks for the tips on the 1991 gigs gents.

I found a list of soundboard recordings that includes both Wembley shows - but I cannot source them yet.

As it stands, the 24th would seem to be the best audience recording of the entire tour - though there are handful of shows from Eastern Europe that I haven't previewed.

I'll substitute the versions of Burn, Logic and KOHD for the marginally better versions of Detonation Boulevard, Dr Jeep and Vision Thing.

Such a pity they didn't do You Could Be the One...

Of the audience recordings, 18-11-90 Hamburg is probably the best / loudest.

Has anyone got any download links for Stockholm or NY 1991? I haven't got those... yet.

I always tbought the Wembley recordings were off pitch? Eldritch's voice sounds super whining in places. Or was that a symptom of his as yet unperfected 'assumed American accent'?

I've only bothered getting the 3 tracks I mentioned up-thread. And they're too fast so I can't comment on their pitch.

robertzombie wrote:I always tbought the Wembley recordings were off pitch? Eldritch's voice sounds super whining in places. Or was that a symptom of his as yet unperfected 'assumed American accent'?

I always remember something being off with the sound at the Wembley shows, though to be fair I was slightly under the influence. Had a great time but they aren't me fav Sisters gigs.

abridged wrote:

robertzombie wrote:I always tbought the Wembley recordings were off pitch? Eldritch's voice sounds super whining in places. Or was that a symptom of his as yet unperfected 'assumed American accent'?

I always remember something being off with the sound at the Wembley shows, though to be fair I was slightly under the influence. Had a great time but they aren't me fav Sisters gigs.

Be greatful you've been to a sisters gig
... ...

LyanvisAberrant wrote:

abridged wrote:

robertzombie wrote:I always tbought the Wembley recordings were off pitch? Eldritch's voice sounds super whining in places. Or was that a symptom of his as yet unperfected 'assumed American accent'?

I always remember something being off with the sound at the Wembley shows, though to be fair I was slightly under the influence. Had a great time but they aren't me fav Sisters gigs.

Be greatful you've been to a sisters gig
... ...

Ah true! Always manage to enjoy myself. The last few in the last year or two were great.

robertzombie wrote:There are no soundboard recordings in general circulation from this era.

Weird that, isn't it? I don't think I've even seen any listed as "not for trade/rare trade only" although that might be because many of the rare traders tend to specialise in the 80's stuff. There must be some tightly guarded ones though surely?

Of course there are some from this era that get labelled as soundboards but all those that I've heard have turned out to be good (and not so good) audience recordings.

Dan wrote:

robertzombie wrote:There are no soundboard recordings in general circulation from this era.

Weird that, isn't it? I don't think I've even seen any listed as "not for trade/rare trade only" although that might be because many of the rare traders tend to specialise in the 80's stuff. There must be some tightly guarded ones though surely?

Of course there are some from this era that get labelled as soundboards but all those that I've heard have turned out to be good (and not so good) audience recordings.

Yeah, that is funny, indeed.
Especially since almost every Sisters gig I've been to in the 1990s was accompanied by
someone from around the band with video gear who filmed the audience and the gig (allegedly for a live DVD) ... ...

Maybe Eldritch stored it all in Adam's house where it finally burnt away ... But I still wonder ... ...

Dan wrote:

robertzombie wrote:There are no soundboard recordings in general circulation from this era.

Weird that, isn't it?

Of course there are some from this era that get labelled as soundboards but all those that I've heard have turned out to be good (and not so good) audience recordings.

It's hard to believe that the Wembley shows weren't recorded, it's a career highlight. There are the Tsangarides tracks too, which would imply there's a full show in 'ready to release' condition. Who hires a name producer for 2 b-sides?

None of this suggests that these recordings have been leaked though.

It's very surprising that in 20ish years no-one has gotten near enough to the mixing desk at a show to run a line-out. Does Andrew have snipers on overwatch?

Yeah I was thinking that the two Hamburg tracks and Suzanne(the teaser for the DVD that never happened) would be the only officially released soundboard tracks from the Sisters "2nd era".

Yeah I reckon Eldo is pretty strict on such matters. It's likely the soundboard operator is instructed to not allow any recordings to be made... unless it's a recording being made for Eldritch himself.

And while many bands have had shows recorded and broadcast on the radio or even live streamed over the net, for the Sisters there's nothing at all. And it's not like he hasn't been asked, but the answer is always no.

London 93 dark christmas is soundboard, although i had to eq it to get it sound great.(and i am also not 100% sure about the mx-origin).
For quite some time i assumed brum 93 (the vinyl) to being soundboard also. But it is not.
Same with reading 91, none of its recordings is from desk, obviously a fantastically sounding night.

Let me have a desk recording from brum 92, and i would not ask for any other ...

Also, the two tracks from hamburg 1990 do sound nice, but do not have anything in common with how the gig sounded.

Anybody knows about the origin of newcastle 85 recording? For me this sounds like being promoted/postproduced by the band

I seem to recall PiB saying Newcastle was recorded with a view to being released as a live album?
But I could be mistaken!

Most soundboard recordings should sound a little off in some way. Generally the mix will be wrong for playback, as it's set for the venue. There'll also be no audience track going into the desk either - what purpose would that serve? So if there is lots of audience it's not a soundboard, but that doesn't mean to say that the band didn't record to multitrack and remix the sound at a later date.

The characteristics of a mixed recording will be a good stereo image (especially from the drum kit), good balance between the instruments and the voices, with some audience for warmth/atmosphere.

No live recording, produced for release will sound like it did in the venue, because you're not at the venue. The acoustics and the way the sound is reflected to your ear, and the way you percieve sound (psycho acoustics) cannot be reproduced on your bog standard hi-fi. You'd need phased arrays and active EQ to even come close, plus an accurate measurement of the venue's acoustic properties too.

Wasn't Newcastle ripped from an unused film of the show? Whetever, it's got post production on it. It's much too good for on-the-fly mixing.

Gaijin wrote:Most soundboard recordings should sound a little off in some way. Generally the mix will be wrong for playback, as it's set for the venue. There'll also be no audience track going into the desk either - what purpose would that serve? So if there is lots of audience it's not a soundboard, but that doesn't mean to say that the band didn't record to multitrack and remix the sound at a later date.

The characteristics of a mixed recording will be a good stereo image (especially from the drum kit), good balance between the instruments and the voices, with some audience for warmth/atmosphere.

No live recording, produced for release will sound like it did in the venue, because you're not at the venue. The acoustics and the way the sound is reflected to your ear, and the way you percieve sound (psycho acoustics) cannot be reproduced on your bog standard hi-fi. You'd need phased arrays and active EQ to even come close, plus an accurate measurement of the venue's acoustic properties too.

Wasn't Newcastle ripped from an unused film of the show? Whetever, it's got post production on it. It's much too good for on-the-fly mixing.

Yeah you're right, the Newcastle (if you're referring to disguised in black) gig was supposedly filmed for promo. I think Paint it black had the recording at some point, dunno if he still does (or if he ever did, my memory is worse than my computer's). Apparently it was too dark to be worth watching, I still want to see it.
I don't know about the mixing/post production, and quite frankly I wouldn't be surprised. It's a spectacular boot and the best one out there

Gaijin wrote: (especially from the drum kit)

The what?

streamline wrote:I seem to recall PiB saying Newcastle was recorded with a view to being released as a live album?
But I could be mistaken!

Leeds and Newcastle were both filmed, but it was too dark for commercial use. I hear the audio was leaked - the video is hiding

I'm fairly certain one version from 93 is an MX, but it's been a very long time and all my stuff is in boxes under the railway

re 1990 - don't recall the quality control but there are two silvers, one proporting to be Bolblington 91, of Wembley 1990 - live in the temple of love and visions of death