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Neverland(a fragment)
Posted: 14 Nov 2015, 14:02
by iesus
Anyone has an idea why that part was separated from the long length song and what was the criteria?
It is oly 9 lines but bery powerful and somehow it could be written just now as we speak
Posted: 14 Nov 2015, 14:53
by Being645
Perhaps, some answers can be found in
this thread ...
Posted: 14 Nov 2015, 15:15
by iesus
I read it before i post. There are some interesting stuff there about the "a fragmant" but nothing about those 9 lines
They even missing those 9 lines because the focus is in the other lyrics that were cut off in vinyl release.
Posted: 14 Nov 2015, 15:24
by Being645
True. I think, the rest of the track was cut off for possibly two reasons:
a) the short version is more in line with the whole concept of Floodland.
b) the vinyl would not have taken the full length of the song.
Posted: 14 Nov 2015, 15:46
by Big Si
Being645 wrote:True. I think, the rest of the track was cut off for possibly two reasons:
a) the short version is more in line with the whole concept of Floodland.
b) the vinyl would not have taken the full length of the song.
Surprised it didn't go on the original CD instead seeing as -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floodland_(album) wrote:The CD edition of the album added the two B-sides of the "This Corrosion" single ("Torch" and "Colours") as extra tracks, much to Andrew Eldritch's annoyance as he saw the originally intended symmetry of the album destroyed. His request to omit the extra tracks on subsequent re-pressings were ignored by the record company.
I'm sure the majority of us would have bought both LP and CD (and/or Cassette) as well. WEA missed out on a merchandising opportunity there
Posted: 14 Nov 2015, 21:57
by stufarq
As far as I remember (and I'm sure it's been discussed here somewhere before; I'd even hazard that Quiffy was the one to explain it), there never was an "original full length version", but rather several demos that were cobbled together to make the so-called full length version. So the original "A Fragment" version wasn't separated, it was just the final recorded version.
But someone else will know the correct story better than me.
Posted: 14 Nov 2015, 23:29
by mh
At least some of the full length version must have existed as Von's original intent for the song, because of the following from the After the Flood interview:
I had this vision. You know in the summer if you lay on the grass and stare at the sky, you can almost see beyond the stars, but cannot quite get a grip on what's there? Well, sometimes it's very difficult to work out exactly what it is that keeps you pressed between the earth and the sky and why you don't whoosh off into oblivion. Neverland is coming about this the other way: the entire population of the earth starting to travel from some indefinable point in space toward the earth at increasing speed. It would take an eternity to reach the earth - by which time you'd be reasonably spiritualised - and even when you reached the destination, you wouldn't actually hit the ground. You'd be going so fast you'd just go through and out the other side, where there is another eternity of nothingness. I just tried to write a song about these impressions.
As the
1959 And All That site correctly notes, "this is a very strange explanation as it seems to have absolutely nothing to do with the lyrics" - bearing in mind that the only version of Never Land we'd heard at the time was the LP version (and of course now we know that it's "Never Land", not "Neverland").
What was actually recorded and how many demos the reissue version was allegedly put together from is up for grabs though.
Posted: 15 Nov 2015, 01:24
by stufarq
Obviously a version with the lyrics that related to the explanation must have existed, because those lyrics are sung by Von on the long version. But did the "Fragment" lyrics/vocals go with that one, or were they a completely different take on the song, written about an entirely different subject? Perhaps it's significant that the short version was called Neverland and the longer version Never Land.
I don't know and don't even have an opinion. I'm just guessing based on the fact that someone said the long version was assembled from multiple sources without Von's involvement, which fit (well, if you wish really hard) with the official website's assertion that it wasn't a fragment edited from a longer version.
Posted: 15 Nov 2015, 19:50
by Being645
stufarq wrote: Perhaps it's significant that the short version was called Neverland and the longer version Never Land.
No.
Posted: 15 Nov 2015, 22:55
by stufarq
I stand corrected. It's that
mh's fault for suggesting it in the first place.
Posted: 15 Nov 2015, 23:37
by Being645
stufarq wrote:I stand corrected. It's that
mh's fault for suggesting it in the first place.
It was wrong in the SistersWiki for a long time as well ... before I noticed ...
:eek: ...
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Posted: 16 Nov 2015, 10:26
by markfiend
stufarq wrote:Athere never was an "original full length version", but rather several demos that were cobbled together to make the so-called full length version.
I seem to recall that that story may even be "Word of God" from the Classic Rock interview Eldritch did just after the box-set re-release came out. IIRC Eldritch was not happy.
Posted: 17 Nov 2015, 02:16
by stufarq
markfiend wrote:stufarq wrote:Athere never was an "original full length version", but rather several demos that were cobbled together to make the so-called full length version.
I seem to recall that that story may even be "Word of God" from the Classic Rock interview Eldritch did just after the box-set re-release came out. IIRC Eldritch was not happy.
Could be. I can't remember whether whoever posted here quoted the source, but I do recall there being much talk of Von not being happy about the remasters in general, and Never Land specifically.
Posted: 17 Nov 2015, 13:52
by paint it black
markfiend wrote:stufarq wrote:Athere never was an "original full length version", but rather several demos that were cobbled together to make the so-called full length version.
I seem to recall that that story may even be "Word of God" from the Classic Rock interview Eldritch did just after the box-set re-release came out. IIRC Eldritch was not happy.
he said that one of the new tracks was a 'bootleg' (or similar wording). some people assumed it was the SKOS, until it was pointed out some collectors had been in possession of that for quite some time - ergo: Never Land is the bootleg
Posted: 18 Nov 2015, 10:08
by markfiend
Thanks, glad to know my memory isn't completely up the creek
Re: Neverland(a fragment)
Posted: 06 May 2022, 17:31
by czuczu
As per spotify.
I think this is better, I can feel the mood.
Re: Neverland(a fragment)
Posted: 06 May 2022, 18:09
by iesus
Re: Neverland(a fragment)
Posted: 06 May 2022, 19:12
by czuczu
Perhaps Monkey and Stuff were the names of his cats at the time?
Re: Neverland(a fragment)
Posted: 06 May 2022, 21:20
by Being645
I think it's just a typo...
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Re: Neverland(a fragment)
Posted: 07 May 2022, 06:37
by czuczu
Being645 wrote: ↑06 May 2022, 21:20
I think it's just a typo...
...
Yep - in the sleeve notes and official site
Re: Neverland(a fragment)
Posted: 07 May 2022, 07:10
by Being645
czuczu wrote: ↑07 May 2022, 06:37
Being645 wrote: ↑06 May 2022, 21:20
I think it's just a typo...
...
Yep - in the sleeve notes and official site
Well, I don't believe in such "monkey" mood on Eldritch's part, especially given the full version of Never Land, which extends the view on the subject(s).
Re: Neverland(a fragment)
Posted: 07 May 2022, 07:25
by eastmidswhizzkid
czuczu wrote: ↑07 May 2022, 06:37
Being645 wrote: ↑06 May 2022, 21:20
I think it's just a typo...
...
Yep - in the sleeve notes and official site
what are you all on about? it clearly says "money" on the original LP insert and on the official site!
Re: Neverland(a fragment)
Posted: 07 May 2022, 08:02
by paint it black
It's a reference to Bubbles. Being that the narrator of the song is Eldritch as Michael Jackson. Hence also the allusion to moonwalking. See nine fragments:
https://gripsweat.com/item/312398056329 ... tch-press-
Re: Neverland(a fragment)
Posted: 07 May 2022, 10:31
by iesus
Re: Neverland(a fragment)
Posted: 07 May 2022, 12:00
by markfiend
