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hi guys

so i am moving to the next chapter of my attempt to establish a list of all the versions (mixes and/or edits) of all the SOM songs

this part is dedicated to the Gift/Floodland era

since there are a lot more tracks than for the Vision Thing era and I most definitely will need a lot of feedback from the board to establish a comprehensive list, i am gonna break it down into four parts:

1-This Corrosion-Torch-Colours
2-Dominion/Mother Russia-Sandstorm-Ozymandias-Untitled
3-Lucretia My Reflection
4-Other songs from Floodland/Gift

Below is the first batch: This Corrosion-Torch-Colours

As far as different edits of the same mixes are concerned, I am only listing edits that have more than a 10 seconds difference (longer or shorter).

As far as the US college radio mix of This Corrosion is concerned, does anybody know in what format the track was provided to the radio stations? Was it on a tape or vinyl? Does anybody on the board own an original media?

As far as Torch is concerned, I can't really detect a difference between the different formats, but maybe there is... Would be interested to find out!

Same with Colours, it sounds to me that the extended version is the same across all formats (i.e. bonus track version on the LP is the same as the 12" version). but maybe I am wrong on this.

In the list below, I am not including demo versions, only tracks that were officially released.

Any feedback, additions and corrections very much welcome!

VERSIONS

(+) only available on analog format

01-Colours - 08:03 - Sisterhood version
02-Colours - 07:13 - 12-inch version
03-Colours - 04:15 - CDS version

04-This Corrosion - 03:41 - Top Of The Pops TV edit (+)
05-This Corrosion - 03:55 - CS A-side mix (Black Label Promo mix) (+)
06-This Corrosion - 03:58 - CS A-side mix (Art Of Darkness edit)
07-This Corrosion - 04:15 - 7-inch Edit
08-This Corrosion - 04:19 - Video (+)
09-This Corrosion - 04:24 - 7-inch version
10-This Corrosion - 05’19 - CS B-side mix (Jim Steinman mix) (+)
11-This Corrosion - 05’34 - 7-inch extended
12-This Corrosion - 07:13 - USA college radio mix (+)
13-This Corrosion - 08:35 - 12-inch Extended Version
14-This Corrosion - 09:17 - Album version (LP edit) (+)
15-This Corrosion - 09:31 - Album version (2015 LP edit)
16-This Corrosion - 10:18 - ASCOOB edit
17-This Corrosion - 10:55 - Album version (CD edit - crossfade)
18-This Corrosion - 10:56 - Album version (CD edit - clean) (+)
19-This Corrosion - 11:08 - Album version (MFSL remaster) (+)
20-This Corrosion - 11:22 - CDS version

21-Torch - 03:50 - 7-inch version

SOURCES

01-Gift LP [SIS 020, 1986]
02-Top Of The Pops live TV broadcast [BBC One, 1987]
03-This Corrosion 12� [MR39T, 1987]
04-This Corrosion CDS [MR39CD, 1987]
05-This Corrosion CS [MR39C, 1987]
06-VA The Art Of Darkness CD [UMSD 81086, 1998]
07-Play This! Elektra Promo Sampler CD [PR 2213-2, 1988]
08-Shot Rev 2.0 VHS [4509-93909-3, 1993]
09-This Corrosion 7� [MR39, 1987]
10-This Corrosion CS [MR39C, 1987]
11- VA Dark Side Of The 80s CD [TTVCD3322, 2003]
12-?
13-This Corrosion 12� [MR39T, 1987]
14-Floodland 1987 LP [MR441L,1987]
15-Floodland 2015 LP [0825646077038, 2015]
16-A Slight Case Of Overbombing [4509-93579-2, 1993]
17-Floodland CD [242246-2, 1987]
18-US Black Label Promo 12� [SAM 389, 1987]
19-Floodland MFSL [MOFI 1-021, 2013]
20-This Corrosion CDS [MR39CD, 1987]
21-This Corrosion 7�, 12�, CDS [MR39, 1987]

NOTES

02-short edit of 7-inch version (lip-synced live performance)
05-also available on US Black Label Promo 12� [SAM 389, 1987]
06-same as Black Label Promo mix but without “and for giving away� lyrics @ 2:05
07-same as 7-inch version but fades out early
08-same as 7-inch version but starts with thunder sound fx
09-also available in digital on Tour Thing ’91 US Promo CD [PRCD 8343, 1991]
11-longer edit of the 7-inch version
12-early version played on US radio stations, source unknown
13-also available as a digital download [Floodland Collection, Rhino Records]
15-also available as a digital download [Floodland Collection, Rhino Records]
18-same as CD album version but with clean fade

Elon wrote:12-This Corrosion - 07:13 - USA college radio mix (+)

SOURCES

12-?

I uploaded a version which was exactly that length, an encode from a cassette & speedcorrected. If it still has the original tags, for the genre mine had "Gothic Rock" for the id3v1 tag and "G*thic Rock ;)" for the id3v2 tag.

I remember the-happening saying he was the originator of the recording - someone in the US sent him the tape in Aug/Sept 87 (although my copy came from someone else but it originates from the same copy). He'll maybe be able to tell us the name of the college radio station. It was taped off the radio (rather than from a radio insider which would have been better!) hence why the beginning is slightly incomplete.

That all seems correct. Presumably there is some kind of official Elektra promo for the College Mix, either 12" or CD.

Elon wrote:04-This Corrosion - 03:41 - Top Of The Pops TV edit (+)

I haven't listened to compare them, but this is likely to be a completely different recording. It was generally the policy of TOTP to have bands record a new version of the song to mime to on the show. This was due to a complicated series of agreements with the musicians' union. I don't think anyone ever mimed to the actual commercially released version after 1966.

The rules changed frequently, miming to the 7" was fine for most of the 80s but at some point they decided that just the vocals had to be live or a band wouldn't be allowed on - wasn't Corrosion just the 7" with an early fade?

Yes the rules changed at various times. Much of 80's TOTP was mimed (even the sound of the audience cheering at the end of each song was a recording so the studio audience knew when to join in!).

Then at some point in the 80's there was a backlash with lots of people expressing their disgust at all the miming and they started having live performances but this didn't last very long, quickly trickling away into just the occasional semi-live performance and before long it was back to miming full-time again.

The only noticeably semi-live Sisters vocal during that era was Lucretia at Montreux which underneath the recorded vocal at a *very* low level you could hear a live vocal.

As far as music videos go, it was common for vocals to be mixed louder, presumably because many tv speakers were crappy little things. I don't know if any of the Sisters vids had that treatment though because I've not checked.

I have heard that someone has a demo of the Floodland era that never surfaced ...

doctoravalanche wrote:I have heard that someone has a demo of the Floodland era that never surfaced ...

Bloke in the pub?

John with a mop

it's just like Mr Ray said..

paint it black wrote:it's just like Mr Ray said..

Yes, he told me the name of it, but I can't remember.

Robin probably.

paint it black wrote:it's just like Mr Ray said..

I see what you did there

I noticed 2 things...

Track 11 is actually just an early fade of the full length version. It has none of the edits present in any of the other mixes.

There is a difference in the fade in of Colours on the Floodland CD vs. the This Corrosion 12". The short, early fade version on the CDS has the same intro as the 12".

The College Radio mix is one I've not heard before, and I wonder if it's merely a different cut/paste job or something else...

The College Mix is an early mix sent out to radio stations. It's a unique mix.

05-This Corrosion - 03:55 - CS A-side mix (Black Label Promo mix) (+)
06-This Corrosion - 03:58 - CS A-side mix (Art Of Darkness edit)

Are these different?

Keep going! We haven't got to the juicy bits yet!

deadagain wrote:Off the top of my head
+ Spiral tribe unofficial mix
+ video mix with crack of thunder at start
+ 4x sisterhood/james ray demos from 1986
+ worlds end mix 5.36; not sure if the version on the soundtrack CD includes the special effects from the snipet used in the film

Didn't someone weed a 2cd set of TC, torch & colours versions here some years back. Would be nice to know which version was from where on that.

hmmm... no idea why I can't edit this post, but instead it pops up twice... now three times... bizarre...

There's a time limit for editing.
I'll snip those extra 2 out & bin 'em for you

Thanks Pista! I thought i must have the 'egotist' setting switched on.

The US College Mix appears on the 'Demos' bootleg lp and also some copies of the Victims Of Circumstance tape.

Just checked the Nocturnal 2cd compilation from 1998. It has the 3.59 single edit on it.