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Does anyone know who produced these three singles?
Posted: 01 May 2016, 10:19
by C.Syde65
Does anyone know who produced The Damage Done single, the Body Electric single, and the Anaconda single? I've been trying to find information about who produced these singles but I haven't had any luck.
For The Damage Done single it says that it was produced at Ric Rac Sound Studio, mastered at Porky's Mastering, lacquer cut by Porky. But that doesn't explicitly state who the person who produced the single was.
I haven't found any production information whatsoever for the Body Electric and Anaconda singles.
Posted: 01 May 2016, 13:18
by Pista
Hello & welcome
I believe Von produced them.
They got Ashton in for Alice & (according to Les Mills) Von thought he'd learned everything & took over production again after Alice.
Posted: 01 May 2016, 22:06
by C.Syde65
Who's Von?
Posted: 02 May 2016, 07:07
by Joy
C.Syde65 wrote:Who's Von?
http://www.the-sisters-of-mercy.com/gen ... faqdim.htm
Where did Andrew get the nickname Von?
It's the German version of the "van" before a Dutch family (place)name, or the "de" in French. Etc. Hundreds of years ago it may have implied aristocracy. Tony James decided to point out that I was hanging out in Hamburg rather more than Halifax.
Posted: 02 May 2016, 07:09
by C.Syde65
So did Andrew Eldritch produce those singles that I mentioned?
Posted: 02 May 2016, 11:30
by robertzombie
The general consensus is yes, he did. I don't think there's any concrete proof that he did however.
Posted: 02 May 2016, 11:53
by Pista
robertzombie wrote:The general consensus is yes, he did. I don't think there's any concrete proof that he did however.
Certainly the inferences from wikipedia suggest that
Les Mills (manager, 2004): “I arranged for them to record with John as I felt it would benefit both parties, as the Sisters' previous recorded work had been dire and John wanted to get into production.�[1]
Posted: 02 May 2016, 12:59
by Being645
Pista wrote:robertzombie wrote:The general consensus is yes, he did. I don't think there's any concrete proof that he did however.
Certainly the inferences from wikipedia suggest that
Les Mills (manager, 2004): “I arranged for them to record with John as I felt it would benefit both parties, as the Sisters' previous recorded work had been dire and John wanted to get into production.�[1]
Yes, that also supports the idea that Andrew did the production, though, for
The Damage Done single I tend to think that Gary and Andrew did it together ...
...
because Gary apparently did the organisation with the pressing and the invoice is issued to him ....
http://666kb.com/i/d8laje4x0poxno7hf.jpg ...
See also
http://sisterswiki.org/The_Damage_Done_%28Acetate%29
Posted: 02 May 2016, 18:40
by Pista
So we're going "self produced" it seems.
Posted: 03 May 2016, 03:41
by centurionofprix
Pista wrote:Hello & welcome
I believe Von produced them.
They got Ashton in for Alice & (according to Les Mills) Von thought he'd learned everything & took over production again after Alice.
marx corroborated that in his interview here (unless we're talking about the same thing), so it seems pretty safe to say anaconda was by eldritch alone.
https://www.myheartland.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=2140
With the Sisters’ stuff lots of those recordings sound great and it just becomes about specific songs like ‘Anaconda’ for instance where you know it could’ve been great but the process of recording it was such a disaster. We’d made ‘Alice’ with John Ashton producing who did a brilliant job, and rather than invite him to work with us again Andrew believed he’d learnt everything he could from John and took sole responsibility for ‘Anaconda’.
anyway, when it comes to the damage done, did you see this?
http://www.thesistersofmercy.com/mek/mekddone.htm
The studio owner was, naturally, the only one who knew how to operate the studio, so he did the engineering. With a beard. Our heroes found it difficult to convey to him what a non-cabaret act might sound like. As a result, nobody knew what they were supposed to be doing. The engineer lost himself in a place where no engineer had gone before (or since), somewhere near the worst of both worlds.
given the band were so clueless, we can probably credit a lot of that magical sound to this unsung engineer's touch
Posted: 03 May 2016, 03:45
by C.Syde65
centurionofprix wrote:Pista wrote:Hello & welcome
I believe Von produced them.
They got Ashton in for Alice & (according to Les Mills) Von thought he'd learned everything & took over production again after Alice.
marx corroborated that in his interview here (unless we're talking about the same thing), so it seems pretty safe to say anaconda was by eldritch alone.
https://www.myheartland.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=2140
With the Sisters’ stuff lots of those recordings sound great and it just becomes about specific songs like ‘Anaconda’ for instance where you know it could’ve been great but the process of recording it was such a disaster. We’d made ‘Alice’ with John Ashton producing who did a brilliant job, and rather than invite him to work with us again Andrew believed he’d learnt everything he could from John and took sole responsibility for ‘Anaconda’.
anyway, when it comes to the damage done, did you see this?
http://www.thesistersofmercy.com/mek/mekddone.htm
The studio owner was, naturally, the only one who knew how to operate the studio, so he did the engineering. With a beard. Our heroes found it difficult to convey to him what a non-cabaret act might sound like. As a result, nobody knew what they were supposed to be doing. The engineer lost himself in a place where no engineer had gone before (or since), somewhere near the worst of both worlds.
given the band were so clueless, we can probably credit a lot of that magical sound to this unsung engineer's touch
Are you saying that just the song was produced by Andrew Eldritch, or the whole Anaconda single?
Posted: 03 May 2016, 04:08
by centurionofprix
C.Syde65 wrote:Are you saying that just the song was produced by Andrew Eldritch, or the whole Anaconda single?
i couldn't say, you know as much as i do if you've read the tdd piece and marx's interview, to be honest
it seems weird they would've brought someone else in to produce only the b-side though, unless it was recorded along alice/floorshow earlier or something.
Posted: 03 May 2016, 10:45
by Pista
centurionofprix wrote:
given the band were so clueless, we can probably credit a lot of that magical sound to this unsung engineer's touch
That would have been Mick Robson (according to
discogs )
So would it follow that Kenny Giles produced BE then?
Posted: 03 May 2016, 10:48
by C.Syde65
BE? B.E.? What's that?
Posted: 03 May 2016, 10:57
by Pista
C.Syde65 wrote:BE? B.E.? What's that?
Body
Electric
Posted: 03 May 2016, 11:00
by C.Syde65
Oh, right. LOL!
Posted: 03 May 2016, 11:05
by Pista
C.Syde65 wrote:Oh, right. LOL!
Yeah, my bad lazy habit