#TurkeyCoup
Posted: 15 Jul 2016, 21:48
Turkish military declares taking over the country according to news agencies.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/ ... ire-ankara
Any Turkish people here stay safe, thoughts are with you.
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Posted: 15 Jul 2016, 22:11
Posted: 15 Jul 2016, 22:16
Seems like all internet social sites are closed. People though have interesting ways to communicate outside country. 
Posted: 15 Jul 2016, 22:25
This is really an interesting year ... 
... smelly like very funny times are ahead ...
... smelly like very funny times are ahead ...Posted: 16 Jul 2016, 00:31
wot he said. i'm sick of it all today. off to find a bottle of gin to take it out on.Alex66 wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/ ... ire-ankara
Any Turkish people here stay safe, thoughts are with you.
Posted: 16 Jul 2016, 01:07
Seems accurate
Posted: 17 Jul 2016, 17:19
the latter
judiciary suspended. 6000 in custody. soldiers saying they had no idea it was a coup, thought it was an exercise.
this stinks 386936893477 x679404688878 worse than boris johnson's appointment.
judiciary suspended. 6000 in custody. soldiers saying they had no idea it was a coup, thought it was an exercise.
this stinks 386936893477 x679404688878 worse than boris johnson's appointment.
Posted: 17 Jul 2016, 19:16
iesus wrote:Seems accurate
Yeah , fully agree ... a good part of the Turkish community here in Germany have the same suspicion ...emilystrange wrote:the latter
judiciary suspended. 6000 in custody. soldiers saying they had no idea it was a coup, thought it was an exercise.
this stinks 386936893477 x679404688878 worse than boris johnson's appointment.
Posted: 18 Jul 2016, 06:24
Bye bye democracy and welcome Putin-like rules of one man and his croonies and religion based state. Now Turkey will more openly support what's going on in Syria, which means, to throw Asad and try made Syria Turkish satellite state.
Posted: 18 Jul 2016, 10:04
Scary stuff.
Posted: 18 Jul 2016, 10:43
It's more scarry taking a fact that Turkish gov. block and cut down electricty to USAF/NATO air force base, where are deployed nukes, and arrested chief of that base. US-Turkey tennions will sky rise. But if you take a look and archive (from last week) news, you'll see that Turkey was about to do some strange, unfriendly move against NATO - Turkey didn't want to let Germans officials go Incirlik base.
With that NATO may not only loose their key partner in middle east, but it may also start some racidal moves from both sides.
Nonetheless, Russia is happy; first - Brexit, now - this.
May you live in interesting Times. Heh?
With that NATO may not only loose their key partner in middle east, but it may also start some racidal moves from both sides.
Nonetheless, Russia is happy; first - Brexit, now - this.
May you live in interesting Times. Heh?
Posted: 18 Jul 2016, 12:39
BTW While it's tempting to suspect that Erdogan masterminded the whole affair, it's probably not the case. Although doubtless he will use its failure to his full advantage.
Prof David Romano wrote:Many Erdogan critics suspect that the whole affair was a piece of grand theater by the master political puppeteer, who immediately blamed the Fethullah Gulen movement for the coup attempt. According to this logic, he would use the coup attempt to justify additional assaults upon his critics, further consolidate power, set more curbs on democratic liberties and launch a final push to change Turkey into the executive presidential system for which he yearns. This was no “false flag coup attempt,� however. Such conspiracies need to be kept small and simple in order to succeed. The more people know about the conspiracy, the more likely the real story will get out. The more moving parts involved in any such stratagem, the more likely it is to spiral out of control. There existed a real chance last night that other military officers not privy to the coup plans would have sided with the plotters, or that attempts to neutralize the President and Prime Minister would have succeeded. As it were, there were many deaths as violence raged between military units, police and national intelligence force loyal to the government. Civilians challenging the pro-coup troops were fired upon.
But Mr. Erdogan will undoubtedly use the coup attempt to his utmost political advantage. For supporters of liberal democracy, both a coup and a failed coup attempt thus constitute yet another disaster for Turkey. No one should mistake the failed coup attempt for evidence that Turkey is a stable, functioning democracy in which pro-democracy forces fought back anti-democratic forces. Rather, two authoritarian-minded groups of elites contested political power in the country.
Posted: 18 Jul 2016, 12:52
Hard to disagree. Like it's hard to tell with 100% that this coup was/wasn't great schwindel.
As i read in one of Robert D. Kaplan's book, in Turkey Army (by tradition) is much more pro-western, pro-laic country, pro-Attaturk idea on modern Turkey, while Erdogan, well, he's completely opposite. Just remember how he reacted on satirical pictures in Gereman's newpaper, what happened to Turkish journalistics, to interweb users mocking Erdogan. Liberties of Western world is not what Erdogan shares. Fact that he was elected in democratic poll doesn't equal that he likes democracy at all.
As i read in one of Robert D. Kaplan's book, in Turkey Army (by tradition) is much more pro-western, pro-laic country, pro-Attaturk idea on modern Turkey, while Erdogan, well, he's completely opposite. Just remember how he reacted on satirical pictures in Gereman's newpaper, what happened to Turkish journalistics, to interweb users mocking Erdogan. Liberties of Western world is not what Erdogan shares. Fact that he was elected in democratic poll doesn't equal that he likes democracy at all.
Posted: 18 Jul 2016, 22:00
Erdolf has stated years ago that 'democracy is like a train, you get off when you've reached your destination', so his behaviour is hardly a surprise. There's also a reason he had been banned for life from politics. That being said, I couldn't give a fuck except for the fact that we have millions of Erdogan supporters here in Germany.
Posted: 19 Jul 2016, 09:31
Yeah no, Erdogan has arisen using the trappings of democracy but he is a horrible autocratic dictator. He's using the aftermath as an excuse for a crackdown. Thousands of politically-motivated arrests, there have been "extra-judicial killings" already.
An aside: Erdogan is one big reason that the EU has opposed Turkey's entry for so long.
An aside: Erdogan is one big reason that the EU has opposed Turkey's entry for so long.
Posted: 19 Jul 2016, 11:27
Reading your post about how many Erdolf's fans live in Germany. I recalled 2 years ago the terror when i was having a dinner with siblings in Germany and watched at German Tele Erdo fill up German stadiums and make public speaches and they all carry Erdos pics and white moon on red flags and screaming... 
Posted: 21 Jul 2016, 19:41
state of emergency. press credentials removed. 50,000 state employees rounded up. schools closed.
'cleansing' going on.
this is stinkier than stinky poo on a hot day in a sewage works the size of a deathstar
'cleansing' going on.
this is stinkier than stinky poo on a hot day in a sewage works the size of a deathstar
Posted: 22 Jul 2016, 11:43
It's not stinky at all.
Whether if this coup was true or a great schwindel, Erdogan is using it to strangle democracy (or what's left from it in Turkey).
It's just next example, evidence that politicians, at least not all, like democracy. If course it was good to get to the top, but since they're there, they see (or were aware long before) that democracy have breaks, curbs that prevent them from doing what(ever) they want. It is not good for such curbs and breaks.
Whether if this coup was true or a great schwindel, Erdogan is using it to strangle democracy (or what's left from it in Turkey).
It's just next example, evidence that politicians, at least not all, like democracy. If course it was good to get to the top, but since they're there, they see (or were aware long before) that democracy have breaks, curbs that prevent them from doing what(ever) they want. It is not good for such curbs and breaks.