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I was reminded, by Brad's comment here, particularly the word "chastised"...

Brad wrote:I believe the recordings sucked because they were mainly from one source (who didn't obviously know how to bootleg properly) who befriended the band and then was chastised for recording the shows.

I'm sure that anyone who has spent any time in Leeds over the last 20-30 years will know who Cider Paul is (if not by that name). "Bandanna Man" is another alias. He used to be a permanent fixture in the Phono, and more recently has taken to hanging round with the Emo kids near the Corn Exchange.

Anyhoo, a friend has known Cider Paul for many years and had the following tale to tell...

Once upon a time, back in the early-to-mid 80s, Paul was a lot more sober than he is these days, and he used to record a lot of shows. One night after a Sisters show somewhere in Yorkshire, Paul was hitching home, and happened to be picked up by the band. About halfway back to Leeds, the penny dropped with one of the band: "Oi, you're that cnut that's been taping all our shows!"

To cut a long story short, Eldritch and co marched Paul back to his flat and forced him to hand over all his original tapes. No more Sisters recordings from Cider Paul!

How did they rumble him?

I'm not sure - knowing Paul he was probably daft enough to boast about it to them.

So Eldritch, not only sitting on mx recordings

I think more likely to be the guy who taped all the soundchecks and gigs. Forget his name there was a falling out on Dominion. The chairman was involved.

Tobias Dorf.

Read all about the sordid saga here.

https://www.myheartland.co.uk/viewtopic ... 6143c5f308

Interesting story.

Brad wrote:Tobias Dorf.

Read all about the sordid saga here.

https://www.myheartland.co.uk/viewtopic ... 6143c5f308

I love the tone of nostalgia in that thread from 2003 discussing the period 1995-2001 as if it's an eternity since - would have been fun to pop in as a ghost from the future and write that it's 2018 and the Sisters have recently completed yet another almost sold out tour, and yet STILL haven't released anything

I remember a long chat with Tobias, a few tours after 98 - he was quite sheepish about that whole period and what happened.

This takes me back - I knew Paul as Shakey Paul from Record Fairs back in the day (Griffin, Astoria, The One Out near Roundhay Park and others).

Last saw him at The Ritz gig in Manchester 85 (we were supposed to be giving him a lift) - not sure to where as we lived in different cities - but out of Manchester at least.

However at the end of the gig Paul was nowhere to be found - presumed gone in search of more cider or other refreshments.

Damn - that's almost 33 years ago!

Flagg

yeah, Shakey Paul - it's definitely the same guy

I knew someone would know who I meant.

markfiend wrote: yeah, Shakey Paul - it's definitely the same guy

I knew someone would know who I meant.

TBH I'm surprised (albeit happy) to hear that Paul is still with us - figured his lifestyle back in the day was not conducive to a life of crosswords in front of the fire with a mug of Yorks Tea.

So good news for once!

Flagg

I seem to recall some of the early tapes coming from sources very close to the band, very close indeed.

Swinnow wrote:I seem to recall some of the early tapes coming from sources very close to the band, very close indeed.

Studio sessions certainly - but don't believe many of the live ones came from the band.. other than one or two notable exceptions.

As for Paul's tapes, nearer the bar than the band

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Randall Flagg wrote:As for Paul's tapes, nearer the bar than the band

To be fair the bar in the Warehouse was dead close to the stage.

Swinnow wrote:To be fair the bar in the Warehouse was dead close to the srage.

Everyone is trying to get to the bar.
The name of the bar, the bar is called Heaven.

That's funny you reference the Talking Heads, Randall.

I always thought would be a particularly good tune for the Sisters to cover.

Especially a version like this... a la "I Was Wrong".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYJWq9Jtf94

Brad wrote:That's funny you reference the Talking Heads, Randall.

I always thought would be a particularly good tune for the Sisters to cover.

Especially a version like this... a la "I Was Wrong".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYJWq9Jtf94

agreed, great song - I'd always imagined the Sisters covering 'Life During Wartime'

Heard of a van that is loaded with weapons
Packed up and ready to go
Heard of some grave sites, out by the highway
A place where nobody knows
The sound of gunfire, off in the distance
I'm getting used to it now
Lived in a brownstone, lived in a ghetto
I've lived all over this town

it works for me....

Flagg

Randall Flagg wrote:I'd always imagined the Sisters covering 'Life During Wartime'

Ha, I voted for that whenever it was they did that RH poll...
That and 5 Years.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/2799789000148675/about/

delighted to see the legend that is Paul now has his own page!

F/

Randall Flagg wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021, 20:31 https://www.facebook.com/groups/2799789000148675/about/

delighted to see the legend that is Paul now has his own page!

F/

I know a load of folks on that page

Randall Flagg wrote: ↑26 Jan 2018, 15:11As for Paul's tapes, nearer the bar than the band

Swinnow wrote: ↑26 Jan 2018, 15:32To be fair the bar in the Warehouse was dead close to the stage.

Ah, would he be the guy me and a few friends only knew as "dopey-voiced guy"? On tapes he's often heard asking someone else to hold the tape recorder so he can go to the bar or the toilet. At least one tape features the sound of him pissing. Aha, looking at the photo on that facebook page it just might be the same guy, it's a long time, so I'm not sure.
EDIT: Yes that first pic labelled "outside crew" is the guy I'm talking about.