Heartland

I went to the Alabama 3 show in Leeds Brudenell Sunday night which was predictably excellent.
Around the show were signs offering a recording of the show, properly mixed etc by following a link for a tenner.

Surely an easy way to make money for a certain band we all know and love?

I have PiL and Killing Joke CDs of same. In particular 2009 PiL was radical because the entire tour was captured with pick up straight after the gigs. Sound is great for all and a great memento

Metallica offer up all their gigs like this, but of course they are a magnitude above the Sisters in terms of fan base. The Mishun did it for their Brixton Academy gig in 2011 but as far as I know haven't done it since.

Peter Hook does it occasionally but it can take a while for the to emerge.

ruffers wrote: ↑21 Nov 2023, 13:29 I went to the Alabama 3 show in Leeds Brudenell Sunday night which was predictably excellent.
Around the show were signs offering a recording of the show, properly mixed etc by following a link for a tenner.

Surely an easy way to make money for a certain band we all know and love?

they used to do that at The Roundhouse. exceptionally good quality soundboard recordings, mixed down & burnt to CD-R in time for you to buy it on the way out. Got a Butthole Surfers one from there. Proper Boss.

I got one on USB after a Neubauten gig in Bremen. It’s since become one of my favorite records

ribbons69 wrote: ↑21 Nov 2023, 19:58 Metallica offer up all their gigs like this, but of course they are a magnitude above the Sisters in terms of fan base. The Mishun did it for their Brixton Academy gig in 2011 but as far as I know haven't done it since.

one of the most gratifying things i ever heard was Lars Ulrich saying that the biggest regret of his whole carreer was destroying Napster. not because it was WRONG mind, but because of the enormity of the genuine hatred he had caused toward the band amongst their own fan base. i reeckon he'd get on his hands & knees & lick dog--s**t from between their toes if he thought he could change an iota of all that.

eastmidswhizzkid wrote: ↑16 Dec 2023, 18:56

ribbons69 wrote: ↑21 Nov 2023, 19:58 Metallica offer up all their gigs like this, but of course they are a magnitude above the Sisters in terms of fan base. The Mishun did it for their Brixton Academy gig in 2011 but as far as I know haven't done it since.

one of the most gratifying things i ever heard was Lars Ulrich saying that the biggest regret of his whole carreer was destroying Napster. not because it was WRONG mind, but because of the enormity of the genuine hatred he had caused toward the band amongst their own fan base. i reeckon he'd get on his hands & knees & lick s**t from between their toes if he thought he could change an iota of all that.

Personally I thought Lars had a good point. Here we are decades later, Napster has been replaced by Spotify and artists are being paid pennies now instead of nothing.

ribbons69 wrote: ↑17 Dec 2023, 00:46

eastmidswhizzkid wrote: ↑16 Dec 2023, 18:56

ribbons69 wrote: ↑21 Nov 2023, 19:58 Metallica offer up all their gigs like this, but of course they are a magnitude above the Sisters in terms of fan base. The Mishun did it for their Brixton Academy gig in 2011 but as far as I know haven't done it since.

one of the most gratifying things i ever heard was Lars Ulrich saying that the biggest regret of his whole carreer was destroying Napster. not because it was WRONG mind, but because of the enormity of the genuine hatred he had caused toward the band amongst their own fan base. i reeckon he'd get on his hands & knees & lick s**t from between their toes if he thought he could change an iota of all that.

Personally I thought Lars had a good point. Here we are decades later, Napster has been replaced by Spotify and artists are being paid pennies now instead of nothing.

the real vilains of the piece for me are YouTube which is of course owned by Google. Most of the content on there when it became 'legitimate' had been shared by file sharing 'pirates' and all Google did was come along and charge people to 'use' -not download & kepp although thats easy enough to do- the existing content. At the same time as they were doing this The Pirate Bay et al were being criminalised massively with the result that Napster amongsy others were closed down. YouTube is still there with its 'illegally shared'' -at the time that they were shared- content, which is now big business . its that aspect of it that creates a corridor for the likes of Spotify. In fact if the file-sharing pioneers such as napster HADNT been killed off there would be no market for Spotify or YouTube.
The mistake the music business made failing to see the sea-change in the way users wanted to access media and assimilate it..It tried to kill it off & inadvertantly created an environment where the people in charge of the means by which media is now accessed -the internet- have taken the last pennies off of them. Spotify doesnt exist because Napster did, but because it no longer doesnt.

The criminal thing was destroy the vinyl market in favor of cd's.
There shouldn't be replaced ever by cd's.
I am glad vinyl returned back with a vengance. I have heard that even cassettes took back better sales position in market than cd's.
CD's was a bad idea after all.

iesus wrote: ↑09 Jan 2024, 10:24 The criminal thing was destroy the vinyl market in favor of cd's.
There shouldn't be replaced ever by cd's.
I am glad vinyl returned back with a vengance. I have heard that even cassettes took back better sales position in market than cd's.
CD's was a bad idea after all.

I have to disagree. Cd's are so much better for me, there was a reason they were so successful. Cassettes were the worst of the three formats. The current vinyl "revival" is all very well, but the prices are getting ridiculous, I still buy the odd lp but my physical media of choice is still cd and has been since 1988 or so.
As to sales, according to Google, in 2023 10 million cd's were sold compared to 100 thousand cassettes, still a massive disparity, and not unusual given that the vast majority have no way to play cassettes. ( I do appreciate that a lot of people buying vinyl also never play them)

iesus wrote: ↑09 Jan 2024, 10:24 The criminal thing was destroy the vinyl market in favor of cd's.
There shouldn't be replaced ever by cd's.
I am glad vinyl returned back with a vengance. I have heard that even cassettes took back better sales position in market than cd's.
CD's was a bad idea after all.

Mhm



Vinyl is useful for filling gaps in my collection when I can't find a digital version of a song - 12" versions and b-sides mostly.

I have read that 10" vinyl at 45rpm generally offers the best reproduction of the source tape.

iesus wrote: ↑09 Jan 2024, 10:24 The criminal thing was destroy the vinyl market in favor of cd's.
There shouldn't be replaced ever by cd's.
I am glad vinyl returned back with a vengance. I have heard that even cassettes took back better sales position in market than cd's.
CD's was a bad idea after all.

Over here it went two-fold.

At the same time as the vinyl market was destroyed, most record shops also went through a phase of reducing their stock, even of CDs, and also of getting rid of the lower-selling items and getting in heavy stock of high-sellers, greatest hits and seasonal compilations. I recall one Christmas one record shop getting rid of almost everything and filling the shelves with Dire Straits Greatest Hits (on CD, of course, and over-priced as CDs were back then) in anticipation of making a short-term killing. They never recovered properly from that.

The end result was a death spiral: the punter had less choice, so the punter didn't know there was choice at all in the first place, so the punter stopped taking chances on new or less commercial bands, so the record shops became even more conservative, and back to the start of the circle again.

Things are much improved now. I don't know if it's the vinyl revival, or changing of tastes, or an 80s revival, or lessons learned,. but these days you can walk into a high street shop and buy Big Black 12" singles on vinyl. I get a better selection in HMV in Dublin than in Rough Trade in London. That would have been completely unheard of even 5 years ago.

mh wrote: ↑25 Jan 2024, 10:48
Things are much improved now. I don't know if it's the vinyl revival, or changing of tastes, or an 80s revival, or lessons learned,. but these days you can walk into a high street shop and buy Big Black 12" singles on vinyl. I get a better selection in HMV in Dublin than in Rough Trade in London. That would have been completely unheard of even 5 years ago.

Next week i have on my schedule this



In the previous i finished my opened list with Psychedelic Furs first albums and a good friend of mine found a copy of Gift for about 30-35 euros (first press)
i think i will have a 2 days in this, as the stock is changing during the event

Good hunting.

iesus wrote: ↑28 Jan 2024, 11:44

mh wrote: ↑25 Jan 2024, 10:48
Things are much improved now. I don't know if it's the vinyl revival, or changing of tastes, or an 80s revival, or lessons learned,. but these days you can walk into a high street shop and buy Big Black 12" singles on vinyl. I get a better selection in HMV in Dublin than in Rough Trade in London. That would have been completely unheard of even 5 years ago.

In the previous i finished my opened list with Psychedelic Furs first albums and a good friend of mine found a copy of Gift for about 30-35 euros (first press)

Crikey, 30 Euros? For years you couldn't give that away on Ebay.