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Posted: **26 Jan 2004, 12:54**

OK, 1: I'm not sure whether to put this here or in Joke Of The Day, and
2: This may have been done before, but...

The opening lines to The Mis$ion's God's Own Medicine are "I still believe in God but God no longer believes in me."

Compare and contrast with the common sentiment among Sisters fans that "Eldritch is God"

Posted: **26 Jan 2004, 13:46**

Lol, very droll... God apparently believes in him enough to maintain some kind of contact, though...

Posted: **26 Jan 2004, 14:03**

MrChris wrote:Lol, very droll... God apparently believes in him enough to maintain some kind of contact, though...

Maybe now, but was that the case back then?

Posted: **26 Jan 2004, 14:22**

markfiend wrote:Compare and contrast with the common sentiment among Sisters fans that "Eldritch is God"

I thought that was mainly the sentiment of the man himself.

Posted: **30 Jan 2004, 14:23**

I think he's a God.

Posted: **30 Jan 2004, 15:04**

This is maybe more poignant in that context:

The tryed and the trusted talk of plans
Master, past and present
Heartless wordplay, and dreams of revenge
Living on the edge, the razor edge, living on the razor edge

One day we'll look back at this
And laugh and laugh and we'll die laughing
One day we'll look back at this and laugh

Pillar of wisdom and soul of iron
Alone, in the crumbling tower of power

All your friends are dead and buried, they died laughing
All your friends are dead and buried
My heart would bleed for you if I wasn't a victim
My heart should bleed for you

Circumstance, eternal, forever
For the love of god, it's a crying shame
For the love of god

Treasure the moments touched with joy
But the remember the moments, tarnished and stained
For you, sunshine, for you
It's a taste of your own medicine
God's own medicine for you
Wake, wake for you
Wake for you
Wake, wake for you my precious
Wake for you

Posted: **30 Jan 2004, 15:51**

you know there's just a slim chance that Wayne's clever than people give him credit for

Living on the edge, the razor edge, living on the razor edge

double meanings anyone

and I like the idea of Wayne being Gollum. Well cast

Posted: **31 Jan 2004, 19:44**

He's not the Messiah! He's a very naughty boy.

Posted: **15 Sep 2005, 14:23**

Isn't Wayne a Liverpool fan? In that case there's only one God he could be referring to -

Robert Bernard Fowler.

Admittedly Fowler didn't make his debut until 1993

Posted: **15 Sep 2005, 14:26**

Robbie Fowler would have been about 10 or 11 when that song was written I think...

Posted: **15 Sep 2005, 14:47**

paint it black wrote:you know there's just a slim chance that Wayne's clever than people give him credit for :

And I always thought this was a reference;

Deep, it cuts deep
and the affectionate prose
and heaven only knows
what your words are worth
and the giving birth
to the giving ground of judgment
and by fact of reason you accuse of treason
and claim betrayal to the Holy Ghost
of the sacred past
that's fading fast and forever

[but I could be wrong]

Posted: **15 Sep 2005, 14:49**

paint it black wrote:you know there's just a slim chance that Wayne's clever than people give him credit for

But not that clever, surely?

Wonder if it's ever crossed his mind as he starts Wasteland though, a vision of Robbie Fowler in a Liverpool shirt (I still believe in God), and then a Leeds and City one (but God no longer believes in me....)

Posted: **15 Sep 2005, 16:10**

Thrash Harry wrote:He's not the Messiah! He's a very naughty boy.

Posted: **15 Sep 2005, 16:15**

Resurrection!

I'm reading Dave Thompson's rambling book, and based on what was going on after Hussey defected, I'd say ANY hidden meanings you detect are probably very likely there.

Posted: **16 Sep 2005, 14:36**

Could this be what the title of the m*****n album means?

God's own Medicine = Andrew getting a taste of his own medicine

Posted: **16 Sep 2005, 14:43**

:nods: That would tie in with the lyrics to Wake as posted by Karst above.

Posted: **16 Sep 2005, 15:17**

nick the stripper wrote:Could this be what the title of the m*****n album means?

God's own Medicine = Andrew getting a taste of his own medicine

Makes sense. Originally the expression existed as a reference to opium after a quick google although I'm not aware if this would be particularly relevant. "Known as "God's Own Medicine," opium the original narcotic drug was unparalleled in it's ability to quell the suffering of the sickest person." source - http://drugrecognition.com/narcotics.html

Although this could be saying that the album release served as cure for the stress they'd been through.

Posted: **16 Sep 2005, 15:32**

so now we're trying to do a "1959 and all that" on mish lyrics?

good luck

here we go:

1) few led zepp-esque tolkien/arthurian references
2) few drug references
3) few cliches about love
4) few innuendoes about sex
5) bit of cliched goth imagery
6) a rhyming dictionary

and of story. no need for a while website about it. you're crediting the man's lyrics with too much depth if you think they are anything other than a few nice words strung together in a psuedo-meaningful order.

maybe in his head there was a theme, or a vague notion, but in the flowering-up process it almost always seems to have become lost. drowned in hackneyed, 6th form, would-be poetry.

gods own medicine indeed.

Posted: **16 Sep 2005, 15:43**

You forgot

6) a rhyming dictionary

Posted: **16 Sep 2005, 16:05**

markfiend wrote:You forgot

6) a rhyming dictionary

oops. an oversight... corrected now

Posted: **16 Sep 2005, 16:08**

http://www.geocities.com/phillipriley/rpgplot.html

and hit the "get quests" button at the bottom - instant subject matter for a mish song. feed that through the above 6 filters and away we go

Posted: **16 Sep 2005, 16:16**

Just on this thread reading...counted a few gods but that would be cruel to name.....

is a sexy god and the naughty boy that I want to seduce....

But indeed....too many gods around this place...or lurking..

Posted: **16 Sep 2005, 16:20**

incidentally, "breathe" from the mish's "children" album was one of those songs hussey penned for the sisters, but that was rejected by eldritch. apparently.

Posted: **16 Sep 2005, 17:09**

Breathe was partly written by Simon Hinkler. So it is unlikely that it would have been floating about before then. Most of what Hussey and Adams demo'd in Driffield at the Slaughterhouse back in October 1985 was probably carried to the Sisters camp in one way or another. That includes Garden of Delight, Serpents Kiss and others. Wake (rsv) was really a reaction to Giving Ground - and Thompson presents a somewhat skewed image of the proceeding but is in essence correct.

Btw. Wayne has never pretended that he was a lyricist with much depth and has always indicated that he has difficulty with it. There are some that did come out well though - espc. those on Masque. But then most Mish fans didn't buy into that.

Posted: **16 Sep 2005, 17:24**

Karst wrote:Breathe was partly written by Simon Hinkler. So it is unlikely that it would have been floating about before then.

ahh. just going of what i was told... obviously it was long time ago and these people's memories could be hazy

Karst wrote:Most of what Hussey and Adams demo'd in Driffield at the Slaughterhouse back in October 1985 was probably carried to the Sisters camp in one way or another. That includes Garden of Delight, Serpents Kiss and others.

true, but everyone has a few things here and there that they revisit and work on further. it doesnt mean that it wasn't conceived back then.

Karst wrote:Wake (rsv) was really a reaction to Giving Ground - and Thompson presents a somewhat skewed image of the proceeding but is in essence correct.

thompson? ahh, there's a book? i missed that bit of the conversation

is that a "commonly" known mish fact then? i'm not as well up on mish mythology as i am sisters so i'd never heard that before.

Karst wrote:Btw. Wayne has never pretended that he was a lyricist with much depth and has always indicated that he has difficulty with it. There are some that did come out well though - espc. those on Masque. But then most Mish fans didn't buy into that.

absolutely. and fair play to him for knowing and admitting his weaknesses... as i have said before, the boy still plays a mean guitar (even if the widdle bits at the end are very girly

) and has an ear for a good pop hook.

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