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Posted: **20 Aug 2004, 14:08**

See the above stupid question.

I had always assumed (at least, after finding out Ms. Morrison had nothing to do with the album...) that the lineup, if you could call it that, was as follows:

Jim Steinman/New York Choral Society- the obvious bits
Sax player on Dominion- sax solo on Dominion
Von- Everything else

But I could be wrong. Just curious...

Posted: **20 Aug 2004, 14:14**

a session muso called eddie martinez played at least some of the guitars

he's played in shed-loads of records, but from what i gather he is/was steinman's regular hired-hand (on heart) for anything jim was involved in.

Posted: **20 Aug 2004, 14:29**

Quiff Boy wrote:a session muso called eddie martinez played at least some of the guitars

he's played in shed-loads of records, but from what i gather he is/was steinman's regular hired-hand (on heart) for anything jim was involved in.

That probably explains the whammy bar bits in This Corrosion. They always struck me as being more Meatloaf than Eldritch. (Well, until Mr. Whammy came on board) I could see one of Steinman's cronies being responsible for that.

I've long suspected the bass is the Doktor throughout; it doesn't quite sound like the real thing, even played with a pick and loaded down with effects...

Posted: **20 Aug 2004, 14:38**

yep, i'm with you on the bass suggestion too.

i think some of it might be von, as are some of the guitar parts, but i reckon a lot of it was the doktor. the chug-chug-chug-chug bassline on dominion is way too robotic to be patty or anyone else human.

Posted: **20 Aug 2004, 14:38**

and according to Bux, on the subject of Floodland's bass:

On floodland the role was filled by Von himself, and an old friend who later became known as judas, but for various legal reasons I can't name him, but you figure it out.

Posted: **20 Aug 2004, 15:20**

hallucienate wrote:and according to Bux, on the subject of Floodland's bass:

On floodland the role was filled by Von himself, and an old friend who later became known as judas, but for various legal reasons I can't name him, but you figure it out.

interesting.

but then he's said that even he doesn't beleive everything he writes

just listening to flood i now am sure its a synth bass

Posted: **20 Aug 2004, 15:25**

Danny Mass get a mention on the credits too, which tracks did he sing on?

Posted: **20 Aug 2004, 15:29**

Quiff Boy wrote:
hallucienate wrote:and according to Bux, on the subject of Floodland's bass:

On floodland the role was filled by Von himself, and an old friend who later became known as judas, but for various legal reasons I can't name him, but you figure it out.
interesting.

but then he's said that even he doesn't beleive everything he writes

just listening to flood i now am sure its a synth bass

I'd say it's safe to assume the by Von filling the role it can be assumed he pressed the right buttons on the right box.

Posted: **20 Aug 2004, 15:37**

I heard somewhere that Andreas Bruhn played some of the guitar parts on Floodland?

Posted: **20 Aug 2004, 15:40**

so who's the whammy guitarist on the This Corrosion vid then?

Always wondered, never asked...

Posted: **20 Aug 2004, 15:40**

lazarus corporation wrote:so who's the whammy guitarist on the This Corrosion vid then?

Always wondered, never asked...

thats eddie

Posted: **20 Aug 2004, 15:49**

Quiff Boy wrote:
lazarus corporation wrote:so who's the whammy guitarist on the This Corrosion vid then?

Always wondered, never asked...
thats eddie

ah - so it is.

could only find one pic of him on http://www.donblackman.com/eddie.html

Posted: **21 Aug 2004, 10:53**

Quiff Boy wrote:
hallucienate wrote:and according to Bux, on the subject of Floodland's bass:

On floodland the role was filled by Von himself, and an old friend who later became known as judas, but for various legal reasons I can't name him, but you figure it out.
interesting.

but then he's said that even he doesn't beleive everything he writes

just listening to flood i now am sure its a synth bass

Must admit, I always thought it was synth, too.
Although, unless I'm being particularly obtuse this morning, Bux seems to suggest that some parts were played by Tony James (remember the Judas Leaves The Sisters t-shirt?).

http://www.myheartland.co.uk/gallery/de ... age_id=743

Posted: **21 Aug 2004, 12:38**

i thought tony was busy circa '87?

http://www.sputnikworld.com/history/history_frame.asp

and

http://www.sputnikworld.com/history/history89_1.asp

How sputnik fell into the 15 minutes of fame trap!

CHAPTER 1 - The way we were...

It was as far back as 1987 when we were at our lowest ebb...

We had spent nearly a year playing around making the second album "Dress for Excess".. had put an ironic single out called "Success", produced by Stock Aitken and Waterman which was a big mistake when I look back... it was meant to be a hard electro disco and we ended up with Kylie's old knickers... AAgh, and the video was terrible... and I have to accept full responsibility, it was my idea we could spend a week by the sea poncing about... what happened to that futuristic group that would only be filmed at night?... the new sex pistols from a futureworld?... this sci-fi sex gang... we looked like a bunch of hooligans on a package holiday...

Posted: **21 Aug 2004, 13:21**

The only other old friend I can think of who might later have beeen referred to as Judas is Craig Adams - but I think that even more unlikely,
though it certainly fits with being unable to be credited for legal reasons.

Assuming any of the bass strings on the album were plucked by human hands.

Posted: **21 Aug 2004, 14:34**

lazarus corporation wrote:so who's the whammy guitarist on the This Corrosion vid then?

Always wondered, never asked...

Maybe a year ago I asked the same here and good people gave me the same answer

And pointed at more websites with more pics and information about that Eddie - you just have to search from old topics

Posted: **24 Aug 2004, 23:43**

I assume the cover of Hot Chocolate's 'Emma' that appears on Dominion 12" was recorded at the same time as the Floodland sessions. There is definatly a 'real' bass on this track and Lucretia. I've heard the demo session of Neverland too and that has a bass on it.
So who played it and what exactly did Patricia do whilst she was in the Sisters?

Posted: **25 Aug 2004, 00:23**

Rivers wrote:I assume the cover of Hot Chocolate's 'Emma' that appears on Dominion 12" was recorded at the same time as the Floodland sessions. There is definatly a 'real' bass on this track and Lucretia. I've heard the demo session of Neverland too and that has a bass on it.
So who played it and what exactly did Patricia do whilst she was in the Sisters?

Pout, back-comb her hair, eat, and occasionally scare away the more persistent journalists.

Posted: **25 Aug 2004, 01:40**

Chairman Bux wrote:
Rivers wrote:I assume the cover of Hot Chocolate's 'Emma' that appears on Dominion 12" was recorded at the same time as the Floodland sessions. There is definatly a 'real' bass on this track and Lucretia. I've heard the demo session of Neverland too and that has a bass on it.
So who played it and what exactly did Patricia do whilst she was in the Sisters?
Pout, back-comb her hair, eat, and occasionally scare away the more persistent journalists.

oooh, hark at her

Posted: **25 Aug 2004, 06:33**

Its Definatally NOT a bass synth on Floodland and Id go with the official line that bass parts are played by Patricia Morrison As for Emma was there a story that Andrew and Patricia recorded it in some big hall in total darkness?

Posted: **25 Aug 2004, 07:50**

allfear wrote:Its Definatally NOT a bass synth on Floodland and Id go with the official line that bass parts are played by Patricia Morrison As for Emma was there a story that Andrew and Patricia recorded it in some big hall in total darkness?

The story I've heard goes that it was recorded pretty much as a live take, with dry ice and dusky lighting, as to create the right ambiance. And as far as I know the story never mentions any live musicians, just Andy alone onstage. But I could be wrong.

By the way, the sax bit on Sandstorm must be a synth as well. Can't tell wether it is on Dominion as well, but that is one brilliant sax solo.

Posted: **25 Aug 2004, 08:12**

Everyone knows the Sax Solo is by Jame Ray, Its true just watch Top of the pops

Matt

Posted: **25 Aug 2004, 09:12**

I remember hearing that the (vocal at least) Dominion version of Emma was recorded in Camden's Electric Ballroom; just Von and a backing tape singing to an empty club.

It definitely sounds like a real bass, but not necessarily Pasty...

Posted: **25 Aug 2004, 13:27**

markfiend wrote:I remember hearing that the (vocal at least) Dominion version of Emma was recorded in Camden's Electric Ballroom; just Von and a backing tape singing to an empty club.

It definitely sounds like a real bass, but not necessarily Pasty...

vid of it aswell. decideded not to include it on shot.

pasty hopefully more active than 1959 vid

Posted: **25 Aug 2004, 13:33**

Oh right. Anyone got a copy?

Heartland

So who actually played on Floodland, anyway?

So who actually played on Floodland, anyway?