cubase sx 2 - one for the boffins?

[Quiff Boy]

anyone here used cubase sx 2?

i upgraded a while ago from cubase vst32 v5 and there are a few differences i cant get my head around

how can you add a vst effect to a midi channel outputting sound to a vst instrument?

you could do it in vst32 - you just layer a reverb effect (for example) over the top of a midi channel that could be playing a vst drum instrument (such as battery or lm4)

i used to do this, and i'd also layer vst reverb and flange effects over a sampled bassline.

sx2 doesnt seem to treat send effects in the same way - you have to do them as inserts

also, when you insert an effect to a midi channel its different to a sampled one!

this is what i see when adding a vst effect to a sampled bassline:

http://heartland.dc-hosting.net/images/vst_sample.jpg

and thats correct. thats what i'd expect to see, albeit as a send fx rather than an insert.

when i do EXACTLY the same thing to a midi channel is see this menu:

http://heartland.dc-hosting.net/images/ ... rument.jpg

i have no idea where the hell those effects came from - i assume they are default? i didnt install them.

i cant seem to find add the ones i want to a midi channel - i need some nice reverb on my drums dammit

any ideas?

[TheBoyNextDoor]

I'm also new to Cubase SX2 but:

Have you tried adding (insert) effects in the mixer window? Go there, press "show all inserts"-button to the left. And you can see a channel that's named after the VST-instrument with inserts above it, like an usual audio-channel.

Hope you understand, though to explain without pictures.

[Quiff Boy]

yeah, i know what you mean. i've just tried it and i only see the same thing.

a complete selection of effects for samples, but a small list of rubbish ones for vst instruments.

i wonder if i'm missing some global setting somewhere? maybe even on my soundcard?!?

thanks anyway

[Padstar]

The nurse is an older model im afraid

Paddy.

[Izzy HaveMercy]

The first picture are all inserts you can use when using AUDIO.

Your second picture is for MIDI and are not so much effect inserts, more like 'data effects'.

Although a MIDI effect can be similar to an audio effect (like a delay or reverb), it's important to remember that you're not processing the sound resulting from MIDI playback, but the MIDI data (the "instructions" for how the music should be played back). A reverb on an audio track uses the real audio to produce the reverb, whereas the MIDI reverb just calculates the MIDI data and adds some MIDI data.

So I find it very strange you can use, say, a compressor on a MIDI track, for there is actually nothing to compress.

It's all rather confusing, maybe but you know it makes sense


The only thing you could do is bounce the mix (the MIDI track from the VST drums for example) as a WAV or MP3 or other file, then import it back as audio and then apply the insert plugins like reverb or compression etc...

I use Nuendo, by the way, which is in most cases very similar to Cubase SX. And I have different inserts for MIDI, too, just like you. But never noticed it, coz I hate MIDI and never use it

Good luck, lil programmer!

IZ.