Heartland

I'm looking for weeds of the James Ray and Vega demos for Floodland.

Does anyone know if they're up for reweeding and is Gift ever going to be put up for weeding?

Cheers

Josh

nick the stripper wrote:I'm looking for weeds of the James Ray and Vega demos for Floodland.

... aren't we all...

radiojamaica wrote:

nick the stripper wrote:I'm looking for weeds of the James Ray and Vega demos for Floodland.

... aren't we all...

i'll never understand why people keep harping on about these, nor why they keep "requesting" them.

you wont get them. they're held by some as the holy grail of trading, mate. rare as rocking horse sh*t. if you did know someone with copies, it would take a lot more than a dozen "can i have one?"s to get them to part with them.

and weeding gift would be a very bad idea, it being an official release and all. Easy enough to pick it up on-line.

Where have you looked for the James Ray and Vega demos for Floodland? I hear Robin's place is a good start

Quiffy is truthful, however, I am suspicious, though it will take more than idle speculation to back up my theory that you either have one or more of said demos, or know the person who does (why not? Everyone in Leeds seems to know each other).

If you honestly want Gift and Giving Ground, then I've got them on Soulseek.

Quiff Boy wrote:i'll never understand why people keep harping on about these, nor why they keep "requesting" them.

you wont get them. they're held by some as the holy grail of trading, mate. rare as rocking horse sh*t. if you did know someone with copies, it would take a lot more than a dozen "can i have one?"s to get them to part with them.

I may be willing to trade my demos of doing "Tower Of Strength", "Butterfly On A Wheel", and even "Stay With Me" for the aforementioned Floodland demos, but then again I may keep them for myself

Quiff Boy wrote:i'll never understand why people keep harping on about these, nor why they keep "requesting" them.

you wont get them. they're held by some as the holy grail of trading, mate. rare as rocking horse sh*t. if you did know someone with copies, it would take a lot more than a dozen "can i have one?"s to get them to part with them.

I'll never understand why people hold on to "rare" bootlegs or demos of any band. Perhaps it is the thought of you being the only one to have it or something. Having said that, I don't trade things people have expressly asked me not to give away. So maybe that is what keeps some recordings rare.

I like sharing, I see it as a propagation of the faith

Idle speculation:

Perhaps it's all a wind-up and no-one has them?

Perhaps people who claim to have the demos refuse to copy them because they're perpetuating the wind-up and can't copy something they don't have?

The Do Exist allright, I know of more than 1 person who has them.

Matt

Hmmm....
From that and Clicky...

I may be leaping to a wrong conclusion from a standing start here but...

James Ray is hardly likely to be handing copies out is he?

Smoke and mirrors

How much do you think I would have to pay Mr Ray for a copy of those demos?

I think the issue here Nick is that if 'something' does exist there's reasons why they will never travel further down the food chain.

hallucienate wrote:and weeding gift would be a very bad idea, it being an official release and all. Easy enough to pick it up on-line.

Where have you looked for the James Ray and Vega demos for Floodland? I hear Robin's place is a good start

.......maybe not much longer........................ssssss...........silence is platinum .........

Surely if the demo existed it'd be so easy for those who had it to make available a small mp3 sample, say 30 seconds or something. This would prove once and for all that they existed while still keeping the complete recording in the hands of those who wish to keep it for themselves.

They could even avoid the inevitable pm's by signing up to hotmail and emailing the clip anonymously to Quiffy who could then make it available for us.

It does seem amazing that Von's version of Garden of Delight is widely available, but some of the 86 stuff that doesn't even feature him is still locked away

Has anyone ever heard a reason why the (alleged) owners have kept this stuff from the masses, when just about every others demo has surfaced in one form or another? I apppreciate a standard answer is " To keep it rare", but why were these tracks deemed to be the ones that must be 'kept rare'?

if people are refraining from distributing it purely to 'keep it rare' then that smacks of the petty clique-y behaviour more common in 14 year old girls.

if, however, they're not distributing it because they got these hypothetical demos off AE (or other musician present, or they'd be easily traceable to them) then that's fair enough.

i suspect a combination of

1) traceability

and

2) they being very short and of bloody awful quality

has meant these things started off as rare and have stayed rare.

And even more of a delicate situation if AE didn't know they still existed ...

lazarus corporation wrote:if, however, they're not distributing it because they got these hypothetical demos off AE (or other musician present, or they'd be easily traceable to them) then that's fair enough.

That's the reason I heard, but for got read stolen.

Johnny M wrote:And even more of a delicate situation if AE didn't know they still existed ...

Which would make him...

Obviousman wrote:

Johnny M wrote:And even more of a delicate situation if AE didn't know they still existed ...

Which would make him...

...quite cross I would imagine?

markfiend wrote:

Obviousman wrote:

Johnny M wrote:And even more of a delicate situation if AE didn't know they still existed ...

Which would make him...

...quite cross I would imagine?

No, really?
I can imagine that, but I meant it more specific. In a way like 'chop off your head', 'sue you', 'track you down and kill you in a very sadistic way, he knows where you live anyway' or anything in that style, more or less

Yeah OK I see what you mean now.

I don't know; if Dan's right and the tapes were stolen from AE originally, it could (at least in theory) be a criminal matter.