second attempt at splitting this topic...

[snowey]

It's more to do with the fact that the DVD is been sold for £20 a pop on E-bay than anything else.

Has anyone noticed the Leeds 05 gig for sale on e-bay at £15 a throw when it's freely available as a trade or weed on this site. and the cheeky bastards have another 93 for sale.

[paint it black]

Has anyone noticed the Leeds 05 gig for sale on e-bay at £15 a throw when it's freely available as a trade or weed on this site. and the cheeky bastards have another 93 for sale.

from what i hear from a mate in leeds, this has only just appeared on the shelves and is far superior in quality to any of the leeds gigs all ready circulating. so i guess it's not being weeded

[paint it black]

maybe it's hard to understand here cause there're more fan that collectors

true. but i like what you write, so i guess a few others do too

PM me if you know more on stuttgart

[allfear]

I think the bottom line is that Sisters collectors, there about 5 or so who have invested a LOT of money in there collection especally in PRE interent days, when we would think nothing of paying 20 quid for a boot 7" or a tenner for a cassette thats the way it was done. Now with the net for most bands everything is expected for free, fans spend many hours sniffing out rare stuff and remastering it for best quality and distributeing it free.

The diffesnce here is that most of the older collectors of say pink floyd have decided its better to share it out as it means ultimately there will be more shared and everyone gets more to listen to. but principally we all know who were talking about here they would cry in there beer if a CD ro video that cos them a LOT of money or trade for something that cost a lot of money.

Personally I have spent a LOT on bootlegs espcially videos and the like, I rmember playing 25 quid for the lorely 92 gig, I doubt many of you would pay that now but to be perfectly honest I dunno why I did Ive probably only watched it about 3 times all the way through, the point im making is that is it really such a big deal that youve got a few crappy demos that has james ray singing this corrosion that you hold more importiant than life itsself? Or a video of a gig in sheffield, yeah this is all good stuff, but if you have the only copy them whats the point?

The great thing with a band say like the Dead, you never have to own a bootleg, there all on archive.org in great quality, just listen to one when you like. and if your CD get wreaked no matter just download another one. this whole elitisim thing is a bit childish really. thats why im giving up collecting the sisters too much hassle and i never listen to anything!!!!!
best

[allfear]

and as for the stuttgart video,m Ive had it for ages, and its a crap watch!!!

though the paradiso clip form 83 is great!!!

though im not trading this out for the reasons taylor mentioned!!!

[eastmidswhizzkid]

I think the bottom line is that Sisters collectors, there about 5 or so who have invested a LOT of money in there collection especally in PRE interent days, when we would think nothing of paying 20 quid for a boot 7" or a tenner for a cassette thats the way it was done. Now with the net for most bands everything is expected for free, fans spend many hours sniffing out rare stuff and remastering it for best quality and distributeing it free.

The diffesnce here is that most of the older collectors of say pink floyd have decided its better to share it out as it means ultimately there will be more shared and everyone gets more to listen to. but principally we all know who were talking about here they would cry in there beer if a CD ro video that cos them a LOT of money or trade for something that cost a lot of money.

Personally I have spent a LOT on bootlegs espcially videos and the like, I rmember playing 25 quid for the lorely 92 gig, I doubt many of you would pay that now but to be perfectly honest I dunno why I did Ive probably only watched it about 3 times all the way through, the point im making is that is it really such a big deal that youve got a few crappy demos that has james ray singing this corrosion that you hold more importiant than life itsself? Or a video of a gig in sheffield, yeah this is all good stuff, but if you have the only copy them whats the point?

The great thing with a band say like the Dead, you never have to own a bootleg, there all on archive.org in great quality, just listen to one when you like. and if your CD get wreaked no matter just download another one. this whole elitisim thing is a bit childish really. thats why im giving up collecting the sisters too much hassle and i never listen to anything!!!!!
best

seconded.
saying that a collector values his collection whereas a fan doesnt is bullsh!t. value doesn't just mean financial worth. each recording has, for me,true value :that of possessing it.regardless of who else possesses it.

before the internet / cd-r thing that allfear refers too i also used to pay a lot of money for bootleg 7" s and cassettes, and of course i treasure them to this day. that doesnt mean that every new tape was gloatingly hoarded away from other sisters fans i knew -as soon as another boot was acquired it would get copied by all the people i knew . if it hadn't been for this practice i wouldn't have half my bootleg tapes. with the vinyl it was only possible to tape them but it wouldnt bother me if someone could have made vinyl pressings from my copy anymore than the cd-r thing would bother me if i had paid a high price for a cd boot.

i totally understand the point made by snowey elsewhere about it being fair for someone who has recorded a gig and risked ejection therefrom and the loss of equipment to ask a trade in exchange.without these people we would not having anything to collect -if they wanted to sell the boots they were responsible for that's also their prerogative. it would be fucking tight if he refused to make it available at all and that's the difference.keeping hold of something because you want it to have future financial value makes you a collector only (and probably a joyless lonely person). wanting to own something for it's own sake still qualifies you as a collector;but knowing the love of and pleasure you have gained from it and happily passing that pleasure on to others makes you a fan as well.

edit taylor -despite your definitions that i have disputed i noticed elsewhere you asking for someone to send a copy of an item they had to you.i'll bet you're more than happy to get weeds as well....
as i said on the other thread :hypocrite.

[allfear]

oooh for the record before you have a pop at taylor Im sending him a copy of the dvd I authered not as a weed but as a gift, cause hes a mate and he also doesnt have a dvd burner!!!

matt

[Dark]

I'm not entirely sure I agree. Remember, mp3s are lower quality. I don't know about anyone else, but I can definitely tell the difference between a low-bitrate mp3 and a bootleg 7". Hence why, despite having all the demos as mp3s, I still buy the vinyl and cassettes, whatever the price, so long as I get something to add to my collection that is of the highest quality.

If someone wants any of the songs as an mp3, I'm more than happy to either send them one, or direct them to somewhere where you can get one. I can't expect everyone to want to pay £50 for a cassette of a demo or two.

Does this make me any less of a collector or any less of a fan?

[allfear]

I agree MP3s amplify the falaws in any recording, you get a pristine studio recording and encode it to a decent bitrate mp3 with a lame encoder then it will sound Ok, get a crappy bootleg and encode it with a fast 128 mp3 encoder it will sound orrable! Bootlegs and mp3s dont mix!

Matthew

[snowey]

oooh for the record before you have a pop at taylor Im sending him a copy of the dvd I authered not as a weed but as a gift, cause hes a mate and he also doesnt have a dvd burner!!!

matt

Oh, Taylor does not have a DVD burner? why has he asked for a copy of this then in the weeding section http://myheartland.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=6032

I thought the weeding rules state "no burner no DVD weed" (or some similar words).

[allfear]

because Taylor is a decent chap and will always trade instead, and usually what you get from him is normally of the best quality.

As it happens I want a copy of that DVD as well as its one of my fave boot vid gigs. though my VHS isnt band.

Matt

[markfiend]

I thought the weeding rules state "no burner no DVD weed" (or some similar words).

They do.

Look, I think this is in danger of turning into a bitchfest, so can everyone calm down please? I'd hate to have to lock the thread.

[Spiggy's hat]

i totally understand the point made by snowey elsewhere about it being fair for someone who has recorded a gig and risked ejection therefrom and the loss of equipment to ask a trade in exchange.without these people we would not having anything to collect -


edit taylor -despite your definitions that i have disputed i noticed elsewhere you asking for someone to send a copy of an item they had to you.i'll bet you're more than happy to get weeds as well....
as i said on the other thread :hypocrite.[/quote]

Which other threads do the above refer to?

[markfiend]

Taylor's post with EMWK's response

Snowey's post

*Edit to add: <Moderator hat on> Please let's not get into accusations and recriminations. I'll leave the topic open for now to give Taylor a chance to have his say, but if it gets too much, it'll be locked. No other warning will be given.

[Spiggy's hat]

Taylor's post with EMWK's response

Snowey's post

*Edit to add: <Moderator hat on> Please let's not get into accusations and recriminations. I'll leave the topic open for now to give Taylor a chance to have his say, but if it gets too much, it'll be locked. No other warning will be given.

Thanks for the links mark.

[pikkrong]

oooh for the record before you have a pop at taylor Im sending him a copy of the dvd I authered not as a weed but as a gift, cause hes a mate and he also doesnt have a dvd burner!!!

matt

Oh, Taylor does not have a DVD burner? why has he asked for a copy of this then in the weeding section http://myheartland.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=6032

I thought the weeding rules state "no burner no DVD weed" (or some similar words).

I think it should be "no access to DVD burner, no weed" - I mean: I don't have a DVD burner myself but I know a couple of people who have. So I can't weed DVDs as fast as people who can do it at home (I have to ask other people) but I have re-weeded all DVDs sent to me. Of course, if someone has asked.

[markfiend]

No worries.

Actually, I'm going to separate the thread here...

[markfiend]

I think it should be "no access to DVD burner, no weed" - I mean: I don't have a DVD burner myself but I know a couple of people who have. So I can't weed DVDs as fast as people who can do it at home (I have to ask other people) but I have re-weeded all DVDs sent to me. Of course, if someone has asked.

Well, yes. If it's possible for the person asking for a weed to re-weed however they manage it then that's fine. I think what Snowey was saying is pretty much of a short-hand version of what you're saying.

[snowey]

I think this thread is heading the same way as the old "rare trade" thread of a few months (year?) ago.

[snowey]

I think it should be "no access to DVD burner, no weed" - I mean: I don't have a DVD burner myself but I know a couple of people who have. So I can't weed DVDs as fast as people who can do it at home (I have to ask other people) but I have re-weeded all DVDs sent to me. Of course, if someone has asked.

Well, yes. If it's possible for the person asking for a weed to re-weed however they manage it then that's fine. I think what Snowey was saying is pretty much of a short-hand version of what you're saying.

Correct. In my usual "balls it up" way of saying things.

[pikkrong]

no pain, summer rain.

[markfiend]

Indeed. Hence the warnings above.

But I don't like the fact that accusations have been made, without the accused being given a "right to reply". So...

I'll leave the topic open for now to give Taylor a chance to have his say

[markfiend]

Blimey. Every time I type something, there's three replies appear...

Hot topic it would seem

[taylor]

@ Snowey & eastmidwh.

THE ONLY WEED THAT I GOT ON CDR IN THE PAST , I DONE MY 2 COPIES
ALL THE OTHER TIMES, AS BOSS/ALL FEAR KNOW, I PROPOSE 2 COPIES OF OTHER ITEM INSTEAD OF DVD (AUDIO/CDR)

IF I CANT WEED I OFFER A TRADE IN RETURN........ALWAYS !

THE ALL FEAR DVD IS A GIFT FOR OUR FRIENDLY AND NOT A WEED
AS HE WROTE ALREADY

@SNOWEY I DONT WANT TO BE JUDGE BY YOU THAT STILL OWE ME A TAPE THAT NEVER SEND. SO SHUP UT PLEASE

[markfiend]

Like I said. Accusations and recriminations.