2006 Setlist analysis, re: why don't they play new songs?
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fer fecks sake, ah kin bitch, been a fan since '84. saw em 4 times in 91, again in 97, then 98, and twice in ought-6. for a time i practically breathed the Sisters.
the new songs are dull, face it. maybe if we could hear the words better, we'd like them better. the live mix is OK, but nothing to write home about. AE seems quite a studio manipulator/musician, but i'm wondering about his songwriting ability without the contribution from other musicians.
i'm all for change, it keeps things interesting. i want the Sisters to change & evolve. preferably for the better, not the other direction. i want to be blown away by a new release, even if it's an EP. Under the Gun was s**t.
the new songs are dull, face it. maybe if we could hear the words better, we'd like them better. the live mix is OK, but nothing to write home about. AE seems quite a studio manipulator/musician, but i'm wondering about his songwriting ability without the contribution from other musicians.
i'm all for change, it keeps things interesting. i want the Sisters to change & evolve. preferably for the better, not the other direction. i want to be blown away by a new release, even if it's an EP. Under the Gun was s**t.
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itnAklipse
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Maybe, davedecay, the problem is that Andrew can't write _songs that you'd like_ without outside assistance.
Without being a fanboy the slightest bit, i can say Under the Gun is, imo, one of the best Sisters songs ever.
Also, one of the problem with the new songs might be, what it comes to general audience, that there are no studio versions of them. What i mean is, just listen to the difference between the studio version of Vision Thing and live version...studio version is so intricate and tight that a live version could never replicate that. But the fact is, once you've heard the studio version, you take it with you, so to speak, when you hear it live.
There's no doubt that if there were a studio version of for example Crash and Burn (i use that cause it could be construed as monotonic though i disagree), it would be every bit as intricate and tight as Vision Thing. And if you had heard the studio version, you wouldn't think of it as monotonic (or whatever you think of it).
This all, of course, assuming that you wouldn't make it a point to diss the new album and new songs altogether cause you're stuck on some other era of Sisters which has nothing to do with what the Sisters are today.
Without being a fanboy the slightest bit, i can say Under the Gun is, imo, one of the best Sisters songs ever.
Also, one of the problem with the new songs might be, what it comes to general audience, that there are no studio versions of them. What i mean is, just listen to the difference between the studio version of Vision Thing and live version...studio version is so intricate and tight that a live version could never replicate that. But the fact is, once you've heard the studio version, you take it with you, so to speak, when you hear it live.
There's no doubt that if there were a studio version of for example Crash and Burn (i use that cause it could be construed as monotonic though i disagree), it would be every bit as intricate and tight as Vision Thing. And if you had heard the studio version, you wouldn't think of it as monotonic (or whatever you think of it).
This all, of course, assuming that you wouldn't make it a point to diss the new album and new songs altogether cause you're stuck on some other era of Sisters which has nothing to do with what the Sisters are today.
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I'm relatively certain that I'd like Susanne, Summer, and Slept on record. Not sure about Crash and Burn, in concert I was too busy trying to figure out which song it was to listen to it!
Point is, the live show is about Andrew's voice, the lights, the smoke, and the relentlessness of the sound -NOT- the perfection of it. For decisions about how good or bad songs are we'll have to, uh, wait for, um,
The album.
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Point is, the live show is about Andrew's voice, the lights, the smoke, and the relentlessness of the sound -NOT- the perfection of it. For decisions about how good or bad songs are we'll have to, uh, wait for, um,
The album.
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Sad but true. In the meantime boots can be of help.GMC wrote: Point is, the live show is about Andrew's voice, the lights, the smoke, and the relentlessness of the sound -NOT- the perfection of it. For decisions about how good or bad songs are we'll have to, uh, wait for, um,
The album.
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Chairman BOX
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To be fair, only the first half is a cover... all of the good bits (not coincidentally, the same parts they tended to play live) are bona fide Sisters' goodness.Dark wrote:It's a shame when a band's best song is a cover.
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That's only partially true.Dark wrote:It's a shame when a band's best song is a cover.itnAklipse wrote:Without being a fanboy the slightest bit, i can say Under the Gun is, imo, one of the best Sisters songs ever.
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The first half of Under the Gun is sort of silly, and completely stolen. Of course, the first half of Under the Gun only exists as a rather sorry excuse to play the last half of Under the Gun, which is bloody brilliant.
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i have no idea what difference it makes where Von gets his ideas/inspiration...the world is full fake-originality.
Actually, i think only people without content are worried about originality and when content is there, it doesn't matter where it comes from. i suppose i don't believe in "ownership" in quite the same way as people who dismiss Under the Gun as a cover.
A comparison comes to mind...the original Dune, from which Jodorowsky stole and expanded to his comic series Metabarons. Jodorowsky was pretty disappointed, when planning a movie based on Dune, when Frank Herbert claimed to own the story of Dune and it would have to be done according to his vision.
But this is going way off topic and i don't care for the inevitable one-liners "dismissing" the whole train of thought so i'll leave it well enough here.
Actually, i think only people without content are worried about originality and when content is there, it doesn't matter where it comes from. i suppose i don't believe in "ownership" in quite the same way as people who dismiss Under the Gun as a cover.
A comparison comes to mind...the original Dune, from which Jodorowsky stole and expanded to his comic series Metabarons. Jodorowsky was pretty disappointed, when planning a movie based on Dune, when Frank Herbert claimed to own the story of Dune and it would have to be done according to his vision.
But this is going way off topic and i don't care for the inevitable one-liners "dismissing" the whole train of thought so i'll leave it well enough here.
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so what if eldritch didn't write the beginning of UTG? hendrix didn't write all along the watchtower, ghost dance didn't write radar love. that doesn't detract from their interpretations; or the other material that they did write themselves.
for what it's worth the sisters' version of gimme shelter is one of my favourite sisters songs...and i dislike the original with a passion.
and posting that half of the sisters' songs are s**t is tantamount to trolling.
for what it's worth the sisters' version of gimme shelter is one of my favourite sisters songs...and i dislike the original with a passion.
and posting that half of the sisters' songs are s**t is tantamount to trolling.
Well I was handsome and I was strong
And I knew the words to every song.
"Did my singing please you?"
"No! The words you sang were wrong!"
And I knew the words to every song.
"Did my singing please you?"
"No! The words you sang were wrong!"
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Agreed - that is a bit of a harsh comment. I don't personally like Under the Gun but only in comparison to the rest of the catalogue.eastmidswhizzkid wrote: and posting that half of the sisters' songs are s**t is tantamount to trolling.
By the way Lee love the Brasseye quote
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Silver_Owl
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If thats what you believe there's no need for us to brow beat you into changing your view.Dark wrote:Fine. It's gone.
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you didn't need to do that korin -if people didn't make inflammatory statements i'd have no excuse for leaping to the band's defence. 
...then i'd just sound like the rest of these saddos posting how great the sisters are for the sake of it.
...then i'd just sound like the rest of these saddos posting how great the sisters are for the sake of it.
Well I was handsome and I was strong
And I knew the words to every song.
"Did my singing please you?"
"No! The words you sang were wrong!"
And I knew the words to every song.
"Did my singing please you?"
"No! The words you sang were wrong!"
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Syberberg
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I doubt we'll see a new album until such time as Von thinks/feels the time is right. Which will most likely be when touring becomes less of a money maker than releasing poduct.
Also, it's easier to tour than jumping through all the hoops necessary to release a CD.
Part of me hopes that this huge tour is a test to see if, based upon ticket sales, it would actually be worth releasing any product via the normal channels in a brick and mortor shop, via online (Amazon...hawk, spit) or if a release would be better served via the offical site, along with online ordering of merch.
Anyhoo..back to set lists...in order for this line up to give the variety that some detractors are asking for would require the New Men to have a full working knowledge of pretty much the entire back catelogue as well as the ones written while Adam was around. For those of you of that persuasion...I suggest you try the following:
a) buy a guitar.
b) learn to play it.
c) get all the tab for all the Sisters songs and learn all the guitar parts for all the songs.
d) sort out a set list and learn it.
e) change the set list between Gig 1 and Gig 2 and learn the newly added songs, in one day, while in a bus and during the soundcheck.
f) repeat e) for every show on the tour.
I'll garuntee that you'll soon realise exactly why every band on the planet keeps a fairly static set list for the length of a tour.
Now, kindly be a bit more realistic please.
Also, it's easier to tour than jumping through all the hoops necessary to release a CD.
Part of me hopes that this huge tour is a test to see if, based upon ticket sales, it would actually be worth releasing any product via the normal channels in a brick and mortor shop, via online (Amazon...hawk, spit) or if a release would be better served via the offical site, along with online ordering of merch.
Anyhoo..back to set lists...in order for this line up to give the variety that some detractors are asking for would require the New Men to have a full working knowledge of pretty much the entire back catelogue as well as the ones written while Adam was around. For those of you of that persuasion...I suggest you try the following:
a) buy a guitar.
b) learn to play it.
c) get all the tab for all the Sisters songs and learn all the guitar parts for all the songs.
d) sort out a set list and learn it.
e) change the set list between Gig 1 and Gig 2 and learn the newly added songs, in one day, while in a bus and during the soundcheck.
f) repeat e) for every show on the tour.
I'll garuntee that you'll soon realise exactly why every band on the planet keeps a fairly static set list for the length of a tour.
Now, kindly be a bit more realistic please.
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Thanks for bringing the light to us bunch of poor ignorant idiots.Syberberg wrote: I'll garuntee that you'll soon realise exactly why every band on the planet keeps a fairly static set list for the length of a tour.
Now, kindly be a bit more realistic please.
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I got to step b and we're in the process of final mixing, then it's off to mastering. I'm just finishing the artwork for the inserts (anything to keep costs down, bloody expensive innit?)...erm..oops, strayed a little off topic there.Motz wrote:I got to step c and accidentally formed a band that's actively recording and attempting to release product
