Here, your opinion is asked!!!

[killing.crow]

Hi,

I have 3 bootlegs in double and I want to put them on ebay. How much do you think they are worth, because I don't think that they are really rare.

- Enjoy the Puppet Show
- Unmarked Doors
- Gimme Shelter

Your opinion is really welcome!!

[markfiend]

You might have problems selling bootlegs on eBay. They're cracking down on what they see as "copyright theft".

[Ozpat]

Pretty common stuff as well.

[lachert]

i don't have any of them, so if you want trade or something, pm me...

[killing.crow]

Pretty common stuff as well.

I don't know if these cds are common stuff or not, as every Bootleg is really rare in Luxembourg. It's really difficult to find some.

[Badlander]

I don't know if these cds are common stuff or not, as every Bootleg is really rare in Luxembourg. It's really difficult to find some.

It's quite difficult to find bootlegs anywhere in Europe now, but oddly enough that doesn't seem to make them a lot more valuable. They usually go for 20-25€, so that's not a whole lot.
Actually the reason why you don't see more of those is simply that an awful lot of bootleggers have gone out of business in the last 10 years because of tighter EU regulation. It doesn't really have to do with supply and demand.

[killing.crow]

I don't know if these cds are common stuff or not, as every Bootleg is really rare in Luxembourg. It's really difficult to find some.

It's quite difficult to find bootlegs anywhere in Europe now, but oddly enough that doesn't seem to make them a lot more valuable. They usually go for 20-25€, so that's not a whole lot.
Actually the reason why you don't see more of those is simply that an awful lot of bootleggers have gone out of business in the last 10 years because of tighter EU regulation. It doesn't really have to do with supply and demand.

You are right. 20 - 25 EUR is not a whole lot. Let's see what we can get out of these cds.

[lachert]

It's quite difficult to find bootlegs anywhere in Europe now, but oddly enough that doesn't seem to make them a lot more valuable. They usually go for 20-25€, so that's not a whole lot.

not a lot? in poland is equivalent of a horse and kingdom
really, you can buy 10 bootlegs in a month from you paycheck if you're lucky and then eat plaster from a walls alsow everybody got a job to lose in the land of 30% unemployed really, i like it, give it to me

[Ozpat]

an awful lot of bootleggers have gone out of business in the last 10 years because of tighter EU regulation. It doesn't really have to do with supply and demand.

Not because of weeding?

[Badlander]

an awful lot of bootleggers have gone out of business in the last 10 years because of tighter EU regulation. It doesn't really have to do with supply and demand.

Not because of weeding?

It actually started a couple years before peer-to-peer and all that stuff AFAIK. It basically started when some heavyweight bootleggers (Swingin' Pig, just to name one) got arrested and were supposedly sent to jail.

Is that really how you protect the music industry ? Well, it doesn't any bootlegger's help anyway, it's destroying itself.

[killing.crow]

an awful lot of bootleggers have gone out of business in the last 10 years because of tighter EU regulation. It doesn't really have to do with supply and demand.

Not because of weeding?

It actually started a couple years before peer-to-peer and all that stuff AFAIK. It basically started when some heavyweight bootleggers (Swingin' Pig, just to name one) got arrested and were supposedly sent to jail.

Is that really how you protect the music industry ? Well, it doesn't any bootlegger's help anyway, it's destroying itself.

But, to be really honest, I like bootlegs more than official released live gigs. On an official released one, every little fault is corrected and every little noise is covered. On a bootleg, even if it's an audience recorded one, you hear everything. That's what important to me. Hear the artist in the raw version of the live gig.
Why artists and bootleggers can't work together. In Germany, the group 'Boehse Onkelz' know about a site where Bootlegs are shared and exchanged. They even post some messages on the site. It could be so easy...

[Badlander]

But, to be really honest, I like bootlegs more than official released live gigs.

Back then when there was something approaching a bootleg industry, people who bought boots were :
a. a tiny minority of the music market ;
b. fans who generally already had everything that was official.
Hence not a threat to the music industry. Pirates in China or Russia (for instance) may well be, bootleggers certainly weren't. Who could think those tapes that sold for £5 in Leeds University union every week would threaten the likes of Sony and Warner ?

On an official released one, every little fault is corrected and every little noise is covered. On a bootleg, even if it's an audience recorded one, you hear everything. That's what important to me. Hear the artist in the raw version of the live gig.
Why artists and bootleggers can't work together.

Or why do artists have to be such control freaks ? 'tis true that lots of official "live" recordings are just boring because of rerecording. But could it be different, between an artist that wants to leave a lasting impression (and get the big bucks) and a record company that wants a product that's as marketable as possible ?
BTW, not all artists are against bootlegging, as long as it's a fan thing and nobody takes a profit out of it. Bruce Springsteen and The Cure, just to name a few, have made it clear that they see no problem in trading tapes and CDs. But when a bootlegger makes money out of your music, then it's a whole different issue.

[killing.crow]

BTW, not all artists are against bootlegging, as long as it's a fan thing and nobody takes a profit out of it. Bruce Springsteen and The Cure, just to name a few, have made it clear that they see no problem in trading tapes and CDs. But when a bootlegger makes money out of your music, then it's a whole different issue.

In my opinion, Bootlegs are and will remain stuff that only is collected by fans who already have everything that is official (as you already said).
But shouldn't the artists be happy, that the interest in their bootlegs remains, even if they hadn't put out a new record during years?
a. They see that their music still keeps the interest of their fans
b. As the bootlegs aren't officially allowed by the artists, nobody may be dissatisfied with the lower quality of the bootlegs.
c. Do you really think that the Bootleg-market represents such a big part of the worldwide music-industry?

[Badlander]

You're very much right.

c. Do you really think that the Bootleg-market represents such a big part of the worldwide music-industry?

Nope but there's a confusion on the side of the music business between two different activities :
a. Bootlegging : recording and distributing unauthorized live material (including demos, radio shows, etc.).
b. Piracy : reproduction and distribution of copyrighted material, including official releases, which is a problem in some countries, but certainly not in Western Europe.
Record companies have a tendency not to make any difference between the two, on the assumption that both bootlegging and piracy make them lose money. Which is probably true for piracy (but to what extent ? and what kind of piracy ?), but certainly not for bootlegging.

[killing.crow]

Nope but there's a confusion on the side of the music business between two different activities :
a. Bootlegging : recording and distributing unauthorized live material (including demos, radio shows, etc.).
b. Piracy : reproduction and distribution of copyrighted material, including official releases, which is a problem in some countries, but certainly not in Western Europe.
Record companies have a tendency not to make any difference between the two, on the assumption that both bootlegging and piracy make them lose money. Which is probably true for piracy (but to what extent ? and what kind of piracy ?), but certainly not for bootlegging.

Yeah, your're totally right. But how do you explain the phenomenon that there is such interest in Bootlegs?
Because everybody wants to have a cd which only some other fans own, but nobody else.
Or, because they are so big fans, that they want to own everything from their idols?
Or, because of the fact that bootlegs stay in connection with illegality?