RIP Saddam Hussein

[itnAklipse]

Again i'm absolutely stunned by the blatant injustice and sheer idiocy of the way things are and go.

[boudicca]

Yeah. Gutted

Actually don't think it was the best way to deal with him, but I suspect not for the same reasons as you. Ho hum.

[smiscandlon]

Convicted mass murderer executed for his crimes. Shocking.

[Izzy HaveMercy]

I'm completely with you here, itnAklipse.

I was gutted when I found out he was hanged alone, without his two partners-in-crime Barzan and Awad.

So at the end, he got a spotlight for himself alone. He did not deserve that. There's no justice anymore.

IZ.

[ormfdmrush]

he's not worse or better than any other dictator
or Jorj Idiot Boosh
let's hang them all then
Pinochet wasn't executed, though he probably 'killed' much more people
i guess Huss' 'ayne 'killed' much more than those ~170 Shiites, too
hey-ho, let's dig up Stalin and hang him
he can be accused for about_20_million genocide
anyway, Saddam pissed off Boosh and American ZOG
that's the positive character

[itnAklipse]

Haha, executed for his crimes. What nonsense. He was murdered by a bunch of criminals, and he was the duly elected and legal president of Iraq and if he was going to be sentenced it should've been done by his own people, not by invaders from another country and a puppet regime put in charge by those invaders.

What if someone, say Iran, attacked USA and kidnapped Bush and sentenced him to death for his atrocious war crimes against humanity? Or what if they did that even to the monster that is Ehud Olmert? Or had done it to Ariel Sharon? Oh, a country doing that would be nuked to hell ASAP.

Hypocrisy is amazing.

Western leaders are much worse, i believe Saddam had much better reasons for the "crimes" he committed during his reign than the western leaders, and their Zionist-masters, have ever had.

You have no idea. Or you simply don't care. Don't really care myself which one.

USA and Israel are so extremely corrupt and immoral countries that i don't understand why they are allowed to exist...they tell lies and commit cries day after day and no one does anything. Would it have anything to do with other western countries being under the same thumb as they are...gee, what a novel idea? Maybe also the UN is a bunch of impotent puppets.

[Izzy HaveMercy]

Not that the amount of murders has ANYTHING to do with the amount of justness for execution and all...

Hussein offed 200.000 Kurds, for example. And maimed a great deal more with chemical attacks.

He also made it a sport to kill his competition. And half of his family.

He was sentenced to death in '58. He made it till 2006.

OK, so he was a revolutionary AND he did some good stuff. He modernised the country and introduced mechanisation i the rural parts.

So did Hitler. But he committed suicide when he saw himself in a tight corner. Hussein just sat and yelled injustice to his judges.

IZ.

[Izzy HaveMercy]

You have no idea. Or you simply don't care. Don't really care myself which one.

Oh yes, you DO care. Otherwise you wouldn't be posting these things.

In every politically hot topic you start, you say that us HLers are blind and stupid and ignorant, and almost every time you say somewhere or other that you don't care about our reactions.

That's right-out trolling in my book.

And I'm so STUPID as to even open your topics. I never had any grudges against people here on HL, not even the beloved troll BeeP, but you are pushing it.

IZ.

[Badlander]

I'm against the death penalty so right now I'm really pissed.

Saddam was responsible for much more than the death of these 170 Kurds, and now that he's dead we'll never get to know the whole truth. Neither will the victims' relatives. I don't even think his death helps.

Oh and Iz is so right.

[itnAklipse]

Amounts? What difference it makes if it's 200000 or 50000? Or 100000? 10000? All are big numbers, bigger than one can comprehend. And some numbers are inflated and some numbers are reduced, depending on who is doing what.
Is it really a smaller crime to kill 10000 than 200000? Personally i don't think such argument makes much sense. Both are simply criminal acts of terror.

How many Iraqis has the USA killed on the grounds of a "ficticious war"?

How many non-jews has Israel offed? Oooh, ok we killed a few hundred arabs yesterday "by mistake", but umm, look there, Saddam killed a lot of kurds, so let's just focus all attention on him.

Kill his competition? Well, whatever Saddam did in Iraq, he still has enormous support so he clearly was accepted by the Iraqi people. Of course, it's always possible to find, or bribe, some Iraqi who says he was a terrible ruler, and put him on television as the spokesperson for all Iraqis.

And before you talk about chemical weapons Saddam may have employed, why don't we talk about cluster bombs, which are completely illegal, that USA provides Israel with? Or even about the minefields USA left behind in Vietnam? But you probably don't wanna talk about those...or if you do, you don't find that as significant anyway.

At any rate, there are political reasons, that is, not human rights reasons, as to why Saddam had to be cleared out of the way...and they all lead to a small country wreaking havoc with all of her neighbours.

On my part this conversation ends here. i can say nothing significantly new here anymore. It's better, if you're interested in reality, you take a look at some other news servies, such as ****.com, that offer an alternative take on matters and then decide, without pride or prejudice, which side seems more to the point.

[itnAklipse]

Oh yes, you DO care. Otherwise you wouldn't be posting these things.
That's right-out trolling in my book.

Actually i don't care. i meant i don't care if you either are ignorant or don't care. That's what i don't care about. i do care about the topic.

As for trolling, if you need to put me in a category that you don't need to pay any attention to views that you find uncomfortable or inconvenient, or whatever, then please do so! As for myself, i don't feel like i'm trolling. i don't even know what it is. Nor do i care. Now chew on that.

[Badlander]

And before you talk about chemical weapons Saddam may have employed, why don't we talk about cluster bombs, which are completely illegal, that USA provides Israel with?

I'm sorry but you're just wrong. Unfortunately, cluster bombs are not illegal, only landmines are (Ottawa convention 1997). CB are considered illegal by human rights organisations, including Amnesty International, because their use systematically violates the principle of discrimination in armed conflicts (Geneva convention 1949). Which means CB can't make a difference between enemy combatants and innocent people.

Now will you stop saying we don't know, don't care and don't do anything, because you're really pissing me off.

[itnAklipse]

Ok, if they are not illegal, maybe chemical weapons weren't illegal in Iraq at the time Saddam employed them? At any rate, what my main point was, that the difference is exceedingly small.

Also one could wonder why they killed him so quickly before getting more evidence of his heinous acts? One obvious reason that comes to mind that there weren't any and they needed to execute him before someone could show that they have told more lies about Saddam in media, and his ruthlessness as a dictator, than can be kept under the rug long?

And one small addition: i really don't know about his killing of 200000 kurds. That's what we've been told, but we were also told he has WMDs. Maybe that's a typical zionist allegation with nothing but air as substance. Maybe he did kill them, maybe he didn't.

For example, Iranian president never said Israel should be wiped off the map, which btw is exactly what i think, but he didn't say it. Media simply lied in trying to make him look atrocious and dangerous, like they always lie when they want public opinion against someone.

Have you read Saddam's last letter? Have you read Iranian president's letter to the American people?
i see no lie in them. But i see the lying of Condoleezza Rice, Ehud Olmert, George Bush, and Abe Foxman every day. And these people, who are known liars, say bad things about Saddam and Ahmadinejad. Now, could it be that there's a reason why known liars lie about them? Maybe because they are actually decent people whom the known liars can't stand?

Now consider this. You have always been told one thing or another by their enemies ABOUT them. Why not read what they say? Then decide. But you have to read without prejudice or attittude of "he's lying obviously".
i find words of Saddam and Ahmadinejad much more true-ringing than those of the zionist-mouthpieces. That's just my opinion. At any rate, one should consider both sides. i've chosen mine, after years of being surrounded by this stuff and looking more into it than listening to CNN and BBC and the likes. i've also read the other side, for my sins, and found it much more convincing.

[Dark]

I really cannot see the point of killing him.

Maybe we should head on down to Washington next and strangle Mr Bush for the blood on his hands. Or maybe hop down to Number Ten with a lethal injection, for all the deaths we've caused.

Bollocks. I think he should have been locked away. No torture, no execution, because I'd like to think we're above those things nowadays.

And for what it's worth, I do agree with a small number of things that itnAklipse is saying, the court process wasn't transparent, there WAS an American involved (on the jury, IIRC), he was in American custody at the time of his death, etc. And during this time the Bush administration has kept fairly quiet on it, wanting to make sure the trial and execution were purely Iraqi events. But they weren't.

Still, he's gone now, I can just hope that he had some regrets, and that the resulting backlash that should be happening fairly soon isn't too much of a bloodbath.

[itnAklipse]

The proverbial other side:
http://anti-semitic-hate-site/tag/saddam-hussein/

i truly hope some of you will take the time to read this. And not dismiss it just because it severely conflicts with what you think you know about Saddam's reign. You should probably read it with a little less salt as you read NY Times or Jerusalem Post.

Btw, anyone know who provided him with the chemical weapons used against the kurds? Bingo, if your guess was the USA.

And regarding what Dark said, there was much more American involvement, because America has basically chosen everyone in power in Iraq now. What the Iraqis want, most of them seemed to want Saddam back, certainly some don't, but about none of them want the puppet regime the USA has placed there now, had no play in what happened. NONE. ZERO. NIHIL.

[canon docre]

The proverbial other side:
http://anti-semitic-hate-site/tag/saddam-hussein/

i truly hope some of you will take the time to read this. And not dismiss it just because it severely conflicts with what you think you know about Saddam's reign. You should probably read it with a little less salt as you read NY Times or Jerusalem Post.

How can this source be taken serious when the contributors can't even write in proper english? Sorry, this looks very unconvincing & silly.

Apart from that I find your blatant antisemitism very appalling, intaklipse. Equally appalling as the anti-muslim stance from the other side.

[christophe]

Did he deserve what they have done, he probably did.
Do they have the right to do so? Yes if it was for the right reasons.
Did they act for the right reasons? NO

Besides, like Dark pointed out, I thought we where above those things nowadays.
If the US didn’t had anything to do with the trial itself you would have expect at least a bit of comment on the death sentence.

[Ramone]

The man had a moustache..he should of been hung years ago.for shame.

[Ramone]

I still find the whole trial and execution process played out to mirror that of a Marx Brothers movie. The judge shouting and screaming, the entire pantomime that transpired with Hussain and to top it all off. My favourite moment. When Tony (Our Lord and Saviour) Blair was quizzed by Adam Bolton from Sky at that press conference when asked if Saddam should be hung or not seeing as 'Britain' opposes the death penalty ! To see Blair stutter and dither his way around that question was television gold!

But on the whole issue. Yes he has been the scape goat of a puppet regime. And once in power you can paint any picture you like of the man! Yes, he did kill many and in the eyes of the world should pay for his crimes. But so should Mugabe(?) and other such high profile 'dictators'. And, yes the whole timing is very shady. Just as the world is turning over a new leaf. Bush gives us his head on a plate ( in a manner of speaking) - to deflect our minds from the atrocity and thousands of American and Iraqi lives he has sacrificed to achieve this.

But wouldn't you of smiled just that little bit more when munching your cornflakes this morning if he had given us Bin Laden's head in a noose. Remember him? He was the man who gave us 9/11, or so the US government lead us to believe. But the speed and concentration they are using to catch this man makes me sometimes think otherwise, but that may just be me.

Happy new year.. Unless you happen to live in Iraq.

[itnAklipse]

i'm happy now

[robertzombie]

Iraqi television has shown what it said was the body of Saddam Hussein after his execution.

The footage showed the man identified as Saddam lying on a stretcher, covered in a white shroud. His head is uncovered, and his neck is twisted at a sharp angle. His neck and part of the shroud have what appear to be bloodstains. His eyes are closed.

The footage was shown on the Massar and Biladi stations, which are affiliated with the Dawa party of Prime Minister Nouri Maliki.

Earlier, dramatic footage of a noose being placed around the neck of Saddam as he stood on the gallows before his execution, was released.

The images, screened on Iraqi television, showed Saddam looking composed, wearing a black overcoat, as he faced death.

He was surrounded by men in balaclavas as a black cloth was tied around his neck. He inspected the rope and it was slipped around his neck as he stepped on to the gallows.

The short clip was relayed around the world just six hours after the dictator's execution in Baghdad for crimes against humanity.

The footage shows Saddam first being led towards the gallows, with one of his executioners in front, two at his sides and others behind.

The camera is then lowered to show a small trap door in the floor surrounded by red railings. Saddam is shown silently looking down at the floor where minutes later his body would hang.

He then steps into the box as a wide noose is set on his head. The footage does not show the moment of execution.

[Ramone]

that's an awfully big knot in that tie saddam's wearing. I hope he was going some where nice in that shirt..

[Ahráyeph]

Iraqi television has shown what it said was the body of Saddam Hussein after his execution.

The footage showed the man identified as Saddam lying on a stretcher, covered in a white shroud. His head is uncovered, and his neck is twisted at a sharp angle. His neck and part of the shroud have what appear to be bloodstains. His eyes are closed.

The footage was shown on the Massar and Biladi stations, which are affiliated with the Dawa party of Prime Minister Nouri Maliki.

Earlier, dramatic footage of a noose being placed around the neck of Saddam as he stood on the gallows before his execution, was released.

The images, screened on Iraqi television, showed Saddam looking composed, wearing a black overcoat, as he faced death.

He was surrounded by men in balaclavas as a black cloth was tied around his neck. He inspected the rope and it was slipped around his neck as he stepped on to the gallows.

The short clip was relayed around the world just six hours after the dictator's execution in Baghdad for crimes against humanity.

The footage shows Saddam first being led towards the gallows, with one of his executioners in front, two at his sides and others behind.

The camera is then lowered to show a small trap door in the floor surrounded by red railings. Saddam is shown silently looking down at the floor where minutes later his body would hang.

He then steps into the box as a wide noose is set on his head. The footage does not show the moment of execution.

You mean to say he's still alive then? I can see the conspiracy theories growing like mold on old cheese right now...

[Ramone]

bah foiled again- pesky yanks.

[scotty]

I'm gutted the he was Hanged too, I'd have Shot the Murdering Bastard in the Head when the Cowardly Prick was found in that hole in the ground, job done, money saved.