Sisters Collectors = Bad Sports

[allfear]

Right

Ive just been transfering some tapes and things ive got in a recent trade WHYOHWHYOHWHYOHWHY are the 'Big' Sisters collectors hell bent in putting cuts into just about every tape they trade out.

What is their problem ?

They soon want to know and offer the crown jewles if you have something they dont have, but then you dont get quite 100% of what you think your getting.

What the F is the point, I mean in life what the point of having a box of tapes no one else has just for the sake of it?

I see tradeing weeding as a form of insurance like if you trade out your best stuff complete in quality then you get good stuff back.

and the more that have it then when your precious tape that you guard with yur life chews up you can locate a replacement easally!

rant over

Matt

[Red_Kola]

Trainspotting, stamp collecting dicks. I'm not bitter that I've never heard the Sisterhood's This Corrosion, oh no...

Let me tell you, I've got a copy of some faked early Alarm demos with Gaz Top chanting satanic incantations, interspersed with random musings on the role of line-backers in American Football - and I'm not swapping them for anything...

[Black Planet]

Wow. Someone who's got the nerve to say in public what some of us groan about in pm's. I found it odd, only two ppl on this forum actually responded in a positive fashion to my request, and it's the only one I've EVER made, for SBWBM!!!

I do not have nor will I ever have a problem sharing ANY of my sisters collection with ANYONE who asks, but preferably I'd rather do a trade if the request is too large. If your on my A-list...and you know who you are, to hell with a trade! I have tried to send stuff in good quality as well.

Nice job Allfear!

[paint it black]

@ BP

some boys is ripping off the band. it's not big and it's not clever. Go buy the original stuff it comes in shiney wrappers.

Matt's prob talking about stuff you don't even know exists, so that's a contradiction in itself. See for example rare and no trade splattered all over his site

No bitching here, but people in glass houses etc.

If stuff wasn't rare, then what would be the point in the first place.

Some people are happy to hear xx gen ripped mp3 stuff then that's their call and so the weeding thread was born.

What would you do with the JR demo anyway? listen to it once, and throw it away. How many people listen to my KG stuff more than once or twice not many (appol's to other peeps who may have outed original versions of KG, WEA85, UTK or ANk mix )

[Black Planet]

What the F is the point, I mean in life what the point of having a box of tapes no one else has just for the sake of it?


Matt

@ PIB


From my perspective and based on some of the groaning that's come my way, many ppl are too damn snobby to trade what they've got. I had it happen to me with a so called BIG trader somewhere else. Turned her snotty nose right up at me! How the hell will anyone ever get started if ppl with HUGE fecking collections, and I am not talking Sister's only here, won't offer up stuff? To be honest, I have not listened to every bit of my collection, I've got too darn much, but it's mine and I'm happy to have it. I'm also happy to let someone else have, and if they never listen to it, it's really none of my damn business.

As for your criticism of me asking for SBWBM..I didn't see you reply to my request with a link where I could purchase it all shiny and new. Your comment is a cheap shot. So's your comment on Allfears place. I have looked at your trading web page and turned around and left because I realized....you'd probably never trade with me because my collection isnt as bad assed as yours.

Sorry, but that's just how I see it from my corner of the boot trading world.

[James]

<Start: Devil's advocate>

Ive just been transfering some tapes and things ive got in a recent trade WHYOHWHYOHWHYOHWHY are the 'Big' Sisters collectors hell bent in putting cuts into just about every tape they trade out.

How do you know that your immediate source was the person that inserted the cut? Their copy could be that way?

What the F is the point, I mean in life what the point of having a box of tapes no one else has just for the sake of it?

Maintaining bargaining power for when the next 'crown jewel' surfaces

I see tradeing weeding as a form of insurance like if you trade out your best stuff complete in quality then you get good stuff back.

Not always. When it comes to weeding (and to a much lesser extent trading) I'm not sure if "quality over quantity" is the majority view. How many common factory CD recordings have been weeded as CDRs sourced from low-bitrate mp3 files?

and the more that have it then when your precious tape that you guard with yur life chews up you can locate a replacement easally!

If it's that valuable, why not make a backup?

<End: Devil's Advocate>

Wow. Someone who's got the nerve to say in public what some of us groan about in pm's.

This groaning occurs all the way up the food chain. I imagine the big collectors groan about the peculiarities of the uber-collectors. IMHO life is too short to get caught up in all that.

Your comment is a cheap shot. So's your comment on Allfears place.

I disagree, I think PiB's argument has merit. I don't know which particular collector(s) allfear is talking about, but I imagine they are the type that have at least five original pressings of each single that comprises Some Boys.

I have looked at your trading web page and turned around and left because I realized....you'd probably never trade with me because my collection isnt as bad assed as yours.

I'm sure everyone who knows PIB would agree that your comment is a CHEAP SHOT (not-to-mention incorrect) and is based on some preconceived idea that trader attitude is a function of collection size. Don't tar everyone with the same brush.

Here's a link for some boys or the original singles www.ebay.com (but please keep it a secret, we wouldn't want minor collectors participating)

[allfear]

@ BP

Matt's prob talking about stuff you don't even know exists, so that's a contradiction in itself. See for example rare and no trade splattered all over his site

This is indeed true and the reason is simple It was the agreement of the original trade, howeaver as some of these trades were some years ago, most of these restrictions need not apply but it kept the traders happy.

No what im talking really is people deilberately butchering stuff just so they have the only complete copies.

and ANYONE that has exeter 84 if yours has cuts in it then its downstream of the original, as I have the original, and now have the 1st gern master too

Thats to trade to anyone natch.

Matt

[paint it black]

and ANYONE that has exeter 84 if yours has cuts in it then its downstream of the original, as I have the original, and now have the 1st gern master too

Thats to trade to anyone natch.

Matt

Sounds good but what would you accept in return for a genuine first gen of an ultra rare recording?

It better be xx gen of an MP3 weeded source, badly encoded, or you risk being vilified Matt

--

Seriously though, I agree it is annoying and unnecessary, but as James wrote how much of it is deliberate?
Probably we'll never know. I mean I've seen some Uber lists recently and they're all pretty much of a muchness
When it comes to those illusive missing tracks; my guess, like James wrote, it's to ensure insurance for the next
Lucretia, instrumental 13min demo to appear.

The only really annoying thing I know of right now is a sound-check from 2000 and another from 2003, that can't be broken-down.

Good discussion point though IMHO

[mh]

There might be an innocent explanation. I know I've done this in the past, so it's certainly possible. Picture the scene:

Drunk, playing some Sisters stuff, "here, you gotta listen to this demo, it's really great".

Insert cassette into tape deck. Click.

Huh? Why is there no sound?

Rummages around checking all leads and connections, everything OK, still no sound. Reality begins to dawn.

"I pressed RECORD instead of PLAY.

NOOOOOOO!!!!!

[allfear]

Re Exeter

> Sounds good but what would you accept in return for a genuine first gen > of an ultra rare recording?

LOL Ill probaby weed it as an SHN and i might even make a cover in true Jam Band styleee though i got a few more importiant things to xfer first (like all my reel to reel tapes that are falling to bits thnaks to buying crappy tandy tape in the early 90s)

Seriously though, I agree it is annoying and unnecessary, but as James wrote how much of it is deliberate?

Well its funny that if a gig is recorded yes you would expect a break around 30 minutes in or 45 minutes in but not very short breakes in 2 or maybe songs ?

I mean i collect pink floyd as most of you know, most floys gigs are complete no breaks, and were talking stuff done in the early 70s here, m*****n gigs, usually all complete, infact just about the only band that i collect that has this problem is sisters!!!

The only really annoying thing I know of right now is a sound-check from 2000 and another from 2003, that can't be broken-down.

God the idea of listening to Eldritch going one two, one tow, I have something better than that, I have a parrot that can say one two !!!

best

MAtt

[paint it black]

God the idea of listening to Eldritch going one two, one tow, I have something better than that, I have a parrot that can say one two !!!

come on then 'fess up

Pm if you're feeling shy


must agree though. Interesting is the best comment I could make on S/c's

Mayhaps I could help with your gripe. see if I have a different version

[Black Planet]

Thank you c_drive for clearing that up for us.

[Karst]

come on then 'fess up

Nah. Why don't you tell us why have *rare trades only* slotted in for some of the stuff you have listed? I'd really like to know...

[Hojyuu-obi]

@ BP

some boys is ripping off the band. it's not big and it's not clever. Go buy the original stuff it comes in shiney wrappers.

It very precisely does not come in shiney wrappers, it comes on
crackly vinyl at hard to come by record fairs.

It is in demand because this stuff is unavailable on compact disc,
despite its vast popularity with Sisters fans. And no record company
or the band have had the foresight to release it.

Many of the fans on heartland may well be walking with a stick
by the time it gets re-released on a box set DVD-XRA4 in 2019

I have to disagree. Of every 12" I have at least one that plays perfectly without any cracks and pops and the SBWBM cd has cracks and pops aplenty, even the far better Enter The Sisters 2cd has far more clicks than my vinyl! To pay $100-$150 for a SBWBM cd copy that only has vinyl tracks on them anyway is a bit absurd to me. You can buy an original 12" that plays just fine for just £6 anywhere you care to look on the web, and make your own cd-r copy for far less than the amount you'd pay for SBWBM ... just a thought

[Hojyuu-obi]

@ C_drive:

You completely missed my point:

In your response to 'pain it black' you claimed that vinyl was hard to obtain and if ready available the vinyl would be "crackly" i.e. full of pops and clicks; my point was exactly the opposite: There's lots of nice vinyl copies available all over the web if you care to look and one could very easlily record their own "durable" cd-r copy ...

Even better: Dominion (remix), Lucretia (long version), Untitled, Ozymandias, Blood Money and even Long Train are available on official CD releases (albeit some only on promo releases) ...

[paint it black]

come on then 'fess up

Nah. Why don't you tell us why have *rare trades only* slotted in for some of the stuff you have listed? I'd really like to know...

because i found them in a box under my bed, and apparently because I'm a t wat

right i'm off to listen to my 10+ year old tape, i made of my 7" & 12" singles.
Just a thought

[Planet Dave]

There might be an innocent explanation. I know I've done this in the past, so it's certainly possible. Picture the scene:

Drunk, playing some Sisters stuff, "here, you gotta listen to this demo, it's really great".

Insert cassette into tape deck. Click.

Huh? Why is there no sound?

Rummages around checking all leads and connections, everything OK, still no sound. Reality begins to dawn.

"I pressed RECORD instead of PLAY.

NOOOOOOO!!!!!

Sounds achingly familiar - rule one is NEVER EVER take your haggard ghetto blaster and a handful of ace rare (or precious) tapes to festivals. Happens every time.

[zigeunerweisen]

To be honest i could never understand why would anyone want 300 billion different tapes with the same songs.

The official CDs and the occasional live stuff that you can't find on the official Cds are good enough for me, i couldn't care less about the obscure boot from xyz 1982, etc etc.

But oh well, like others have said, some collect stamps so collecting Sisters stuff is at least a little bit more interesting...

[itnAklipse]

i think if some songs are so good they are worth listening to a million times, it's even better if you can hear different versions of the songs, rather than having to always listen to the same version...hence it makes sense to collect live recordings, at least to me.

Plus i think live versions are much more interesting and "live" than studio-versions. Especially so with Sisters who are definetely a live-band (not to mention that these days they are only a live-band), rather than a bunch of robots on stage. Can't remember when i last listened to their studio-releases.

What i have so far failed at yet has been to find purposeful ways to listen to demos. Some of them are really great, but it's not inspiring to me to listen to one demo-song after the other self-purpotedly, they don't belong together like that...a studio cd and a live concert are always coherent wholes, and it's difficult to put demos in a context. And it's a lot of trouble always change the cd just to listen to one song.
Some i have put on collection tapes, along with a lot of stuff and there they seem to work best so far.

dei

[mh]

It's evolutionary, like the "Alice" CD that was weeded a while back, or like a CD I made of all versions of Spacemen 3's "Walking With Jesus" - you can see how the song evolves over time, from raw first demo, through experimental live arrangements, then they nail it in the studio, then f*** around with it a bit live, and so on. This is interesting stuff for some folks, that's all.

[itnAklipse]

mh: Thanks for the idea! That evolution cd full of one song in different versions does sound interesting. Will try that.

dei

[Black Planet]

mh: Thanks for the idea! That evolution cd full of one song in different versions does sound interesting. Will try that.

dei

Have to agree, because I totally agree with your take on demos! I must have a tin ear..becasue I can barely tell the difference in the demos!

As far as lots of live gigs...I have a few that are my favorites, they are the better quality ones and just ones I like because Andrew sounds happy or whatever in them. Yes, it's the same songs, but so many live gigs no matter what the artist-- ARE the same set list because that's what the audience wants.

And inevitably, there's going to be one version that shines above all the rest...I have a Suzanne, don't know the date or venue...but it is my all time favorite version of Suzanne. Wouldn't ever give that one up!!! I guess it's like mining.....every once in a while you come out with a gem!!!!

Great turn of topic!~!!!!

[James Blast]

Cologne 01 is class BeeP, need a copy?