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Apart from the RFH bonanza (it sounds untidy to me) Giving Ground is slightly different with echo on voices that isn't on the original CD/LP. Possibly a rejected mix from the original sessions. One for the completist as real reviews like to say.
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Pat wrote: ↑04 Jan 2023, 18:42 Apart from the RFH bonanza (it sounds untidy to me) Giving Ground is slightly different with echo on voices that isn't on the original CD/LP. Possibly a rejected mix from the original sessions. One for the completist as real reviews like to say.
I think GG is the single version. It's been many years however I think the cassette differs to the L.P on closer inspection. And now I only bother with the CD once in a blue moon, so no comparator. :?
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An extra minute of RFH is good with me. Even if it's much less, overall, than we were expecting.
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Got mine yesterday and it looks very pretty, just need to dig the CD player out now.

One thing I'm sure we'll all find interesting is something which came up when I was researching what might be on there when we were promised remixes etc. I think we're aware of the fabled Fatboy Slim Remix of Finland Red Egypt White (as mentioned here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Siste ... rock_band)) but it was news to me that a pedigree poodle born 3/3/2002 in Sweden was named, if I'm reading this right .... Sisterhood Fatboy Slim.

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ruffers wrote: ↑05 Jan 2023, 16:45 Got mine yesterday and it looks very pretty, just need to dig the CD player out now.

One thing I'm sure we'll all find interesting is something which came up when I was researching what might be on there when we were promised remixes etc. I think we're aware of the fabled Fatboy Slim Remix of Finland Red Egypt White (as mentioned here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Siste ... rock_band)) but it was news to me that a pedigree poodle born 3/3/2002 in Sweden was named, if I'm reading this right .... Sisterhood Fatboy Slim.

https://poodle.pedigreedatabaseonline.c ... ee/38818/i
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I've ordered one anyway, obvs.
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basically its a rough mix. GG is different with more chorus vocal , colours more long and other different times with difference equalizations
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How curious that Cadiz don't have the wit to plug the alternate versions angle. I am interested NOW.
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Gaijin wrote: ↑07 Jan 2023, 13:34 How curious that Cadiz don't have the wit to plug the alternate versions angle. I am interested NOW.
I'm the same, I wasn't up for more of the same albeit in a shiny new sleeve, but I am up for something that is different from the orginal, even if it is only a bit different.

Maybe its the same as the MoFi version of Floodland?, they simply didn't know that they had alternate versions.
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So no-one at Cadiz compared the new master to the previous releases to check if they had s**t or shinola? 😂 😂
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Gift is now on Apple Music.
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It's on Spotify and Tidal as well.

Quite surprised at the abrupt ending to Rain From Heaven, first time hearing it and it is as if the tape suddenly ran out.
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Colours has an abrupt ending rather than a fade as well, which I haven't seen commented on before.

Overall I'd consider it a typical Sisters reissue cock-up, of curiosity value more than anything else.
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Youtube also.

EDIT: Ah the sudden endings of Colours & Rain From Heaven are kindof amusing. I guess we were never meant to hear those, "that can be fixed later, we'll fade it, yeah."
It proves that Cadiz were given some sort of master tape, but presumably it only had those takes on it and not the multiple takes and alternate versions and possibly even other songs that some of us had hoped might have been on it when they originally announced there were going to be some extras.
They originally said they were going to be autogaphed. Did they bail on that too?

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ribbons69 wrote: ↑13 Jan 2023, 17:31 " Hello Andrew, this is Cadiz records, do you fancy autographing a few cds and lps for us? "

"No"
I bet he's got a box of them under the bed, signed and ready for ebay when the leccy bill comes in.
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Well the remaster is louder than the original CD, the extra bits in Giving Ground were interesting, the abrupt cut offs were annoying. The overall sound is clearer. It sounds like a little like the stereo has been widened a bit. Not bad overall. I'm tempted to add fadeouts to the end of Colours and Rain From Heaven though on my FLAC rips.

While I was in the mood I listened to the MFSL version of Floodland and finished it off with Sandstorm and Untitled. A good evenings work all in all.
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So we have had the BBC sessions and the Cadiz version of Gift in recent years.
What next Wake released as an audio cd and download?
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Moderate Mick wrote: ↑14 Jan 2023, 11:46 So we have had the BBC sessions and the Cadiz version of Gift in recent years.
What next Wake released as an audio cd and download?
Let the debate on including the encore start now...
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Ive just listened to this (albeit the yootoob rips) and its a fuckking disgrace really. For starters there are no 'extras'. We knew from the start that there wouldnt be much available in that bracket (because we -collectively at least- are Sisters officianado's extraordinnaire) but not even the 7" versions of Giving Ground! However lets forget the extras as i would argue that you dont even get "Gift"! Its a rough edit. Colours doesnt just fail to fade out it has a "tape's still running" noise on the end and Rain From Heaven is an abomination! I was stupidly tempted to buy this but Cadiz shouldnt be financially rewarded for lying to us and then making a pig's ear of it. f**k them and the 3-legged horse they rode in on.
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And here I was looking forward to having the album on Spotify. It's a sloppy job.
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eastmidswhizzkid wrote: ↑17 Jan 2023, 02:24 Ive just listened to this (albeit the yootoob rips) and its a fuckking disgrace really. For starters there are no 'extras'. We knew from the start that there wouldnt be much available in that bracket (because we -collectively at least- are Sisters officianado's extraordinnaire) but not even the 7" versions of Giving Ground! However lets forget the extras as i would argue that you dont even get "Gift"! Its a rough edit. Colours doesnt just fail to fade out it has a "tape's still running" noise on the end and Rain From Heaven is an abomination! I was stupidly tempted to buy this but Cadiz shouldnt be financially rewarded for lying to us and then making a pig's ear of it. f**k them and the 3-legged horse they rode in on.
I think it's more likely to be Eldritch's fault. Cadiz can only work from the tapes they're given.
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markfiend wrote: ↑17 Jan 2023, 14:13
eastmidswhizzkid wrote: ↑17 Jan 2023, 02:24 Ive just listened to this (albeit the yootoob rips) and its a fuckking disgrace really. For starters there are no 'extras'. We knew from the start that there wouldnt be much available in that bracket (because we -collectively at least- are Sisters officianado's extraordinnaire) but not even the 7" versions of Giving Ground! However lets forget the extras as i would argue that you dont even get "Gift"! Its a rough edit. Colours doesnt just fail to fade out it has a "tape's still running" noise on the end and Rain From Heaven is an abomination! I was stupidly tempted to buy this but Cadiz shouldnt be financially rewarded for lying to us and then making a pig's ear of it. f**k them and the 3-legged horse they rode in on.
I think it's more likely to be Eldritch's fault. Cadiz can only work from the tapes they're given.
That's a fair point, and it might well be that the tapes that were found were not the actual masters that were used in 1986.

However, that only makes the version of Giving Ground used excusable. It doesn't make the failure to fade Colours or Rain From Heaven excusable; that smells like a basic failure of "we didn't even cross-check with the original release".

It feels churlish to complain. On one hand it's great that this album is available again, but it's a shame it's not putting it's best foot forward, and a crying shame that some basic mistakes were made.
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mh wrote: ↑17 Jan 2023, 14:29 It doesn't make the failure to fade Colours or Rain From Heaven excusable; that smells like a basic failure of "we didn't even cross-check with the original release".

It feels churlish to complain. On one hand it's great that this album is available again, but it's a shame it's not putting it's best foot forward, and a crying shame that some basic mistakes were made.
It's not churlish. What you're describing is a kind of rank incompetence that makes me angry that I paid for it. I expected, at best, that there would be minor alterations from the original. I did not expect this half-assed failure to do even the slightest bit of due diligence on the final product. It's honestly one of my favorite Sisters-related records, it was definitely ahead of its time, and it deserves better than this cheap and tawdry cash-in.
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