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pikkrong wrote:Well, an idiot asks: is there ANY possibility to get the original versions on CD these days? :eek:
probably not brand new... :innocent:
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pikkrong wrote:Well, an idiot asks: is there ANY possibility to get the original versions on CD these days? :eek:
probably not brand new... :innocent:
You mean... :?: eBay? an idiot continues asking: how could I know it's a CD with original mixes? :oops:
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Quiff Boy wrote:
pikkrong wrote:Well, an idiot asks: is there ANY possibility to get the original versions on CD these days? :eek:
probably not brand new... :innocent:
You mean... :?: eBay? an idiot continues asking: how could I know it's a CD with original mixes? :oops:
well, thats the problem isnt it? :(

but i know that one or two members here have copies... maybe not for sale, but... :innocent:






and people: dont even THINK about weeding it! :D :D :D :roll:
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>I thought the original (vinyl) mix never made it to CD. The original CD >issue was the Jap version and the remastered CD was an amalgam of >whatever best version was still available, re EQed for that medium. Can >anyone confirm?

yes that's fine !
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Quiff Boy wrote:
pikkrong wrote:
Quiff Boy wrote: probably not brand new... :innocent:
You mean... :?: eBay? an idiot continues asking: how could I know it's a CD with original mixes? :oops:
well, thats the problem isnt it? :(

but i know that one or two members here have copies... maybe not for sale, but... :innocent:
If any of them could send me a PM... :roll: :notworthy:
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pikkrong wrote:
Quiff Boy wrote:
pikkrong wrote: You mean... :?: eBay? an idiot continues asking: how could I know it's a CD with original mixes? :oops:
well, thats the problem isnt it? :(

but i know that one or two members here have copies... maybe not for sale, but... :innocent:
If any of them could send me a PM... :roll: :notworthy:
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paint it black wrote:
pikkrong wrote:
Quiff Boy wrote: well, thats the problem isnt it? :(

but i know that one or two members here have copies... maybe not for sale, but... :innocent:
If any of them could send me a PM... :roll: :notworthy:
Mr P. possibly i can do something for you. I'm also transferring all Siouxsie 12"'s so maybe some of them too ;D
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So mine is a non-vinyl, pre-92 remastered, jap mix. :(
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Hmmmm - Interesting demographics.

Seems that people fall mainly into one of two camps:

1) Those who have heard both versions and prefer the original.
2) Those who were unaware that there was an original.

Nobody is standing up for the remixes, nobody is actually defending them.

The game's afoot Watson!

So the next questions to be answered are:

1) What exactly happened?
2) Why did it happen?
3) Who allowed it to happen?

Given Von's notorious QC tendencies, it is doubtful if he would knowingly allow what we must assume (based on this admittedly limited sample) are generally regarded to be inferior mixes to be released, unless of course he had no choice in the matter.

So either he was unaware at the time that it had been done, or the original mixes were unavailable at the time, for whatever reason. The current relationship with East West means that the historical record will probably never be put right, and that the album as it was originally intended to be heard will solely exist as "archive material" in a small number of people's record collections.

Or perhaps it's merely because he still has a whole hive of bees in his bonnet over the fact that it was produced by someone else, and deliberately wants a bad version available?
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the original is way better, i transferred it from vinyl to cd ages ago. with clicks and crackles intact
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I think only 4 tracks differed on the Japanese release:

Black Planet
Rock and a Hard Place
First and Last and Always
(One Other - Marian???)

So anyone with the original (pre 1992) CD has *most* of the LP in pure (sic) AAD 44.1 kHz format.
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Thanks RK :P
Red_Kola wrote: AAD 44.1 kHz format.
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NTTC was the fourth that was noticeably different. There's small differences in most of the others, like fade outs beginning earlier and stuff. Aside from that, the whole thing has been re-EQ'd with a different tonal balance, and is now very boomy and distant sounding, where the original was much more in-yer-face.
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Quiff Boy wrote:bit if a headf*ck and need to be very very sober! :roll:
Bummer!
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From what I understand, Von didn't have a hell of a lot to do with the re-masters. Something to do with WEA "losing" some/all of the original master tapes I remember reading. Check UTR, I'm sure I read it in there somewhere.
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CellThree wrote: I haven't listened to my vinyl copy for years. Time to blow the dust off it I think!
There's no way in the world, you'd catch me listening to my sisters vinyls..........far too much of a wuss :D
Heh, I have two copies, one for listening to, and the gatefold one for staring lovingly at! :D
Just to mention that I have the same - A LP for playing and a Mint Gatefold Sleeve just for "Looking At"

I also have to CD's of FALAA - having bought the "orginal" in 1988 and the "Remastered" in 1992.

I was always disappointed that the "Reverse Drum Intro" from the LP is missing on both versions of the CD.

The 88 CD has Silver writing on Black background on the CD and the 92 CD has Black writing on a Silver (blank) background.

To me the "remasterd" version sounds "Cleaner".

My question is this who wanted the "remastered" version - Von or Warners or someone else - and Why bother to do a Re-master - was to make more Money from the "Fans" :eek:
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Scardwel wrote:I have an original 1985 cassette of FALAA (which I've put onto a CD-R) - it pisses all over the CD version!

The original mix of No Time To Cry was on ASCOOB 'cause it was taken from the 12" single masters AFAIK...
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I dont suppose you would like to offer this "version" as a *cough* "weed" would you old chap? :eek:
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I'm afraid Mr Bux would have my guts for garters if I weeded that 'cause it's an official release...! :wink:
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Scardwel wrote:I'm afraid Mr Bux would have my guts for garters if I weeded that 'cause it's an official release...! :wink:
You could always put 2 second gaps or coughs inbetween the tracks, then it would reach legendary status and be discussed on HL <ducks> :innocent:
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LoL! "Digitally made an arse of in 2004" :wink:
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i've been busy / sad (strike through as appropriate). Listening to multiple versions at the same time is not good for the ears/ head (strike through as appropriate)...anyway... * times as declared on those formats - except Japanese which was sort of timed in places :wink:

For verification purposes

85 tape on PC - played against CD
CD - played against Jap
Jap - played against remix
remix - played against 85 tape on PC

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Ah ha. This might just open a can of worms :?

Original Version

Cassette, LP, Gatefold LP, Cd longbox version, picture disk

Black Planet - 4.27
Walk Away - 3.20
No Time to Cry - 3.54
A Rock... - 3.36
Marian (Version) - 5.37
FALAA - 3.58
Possession - 4.36
Nine While Nine - 4.07
Logic - 4.46
SKOS - 7.16

New Version

Elektra CD other Cds? can't find them right now :(

Black Planet - 4.35
Walk Away - 3.23
No Time to Cry - 3.53
A Rock... - 3.30
Marian (Version) - 5.41
FALAA - 4.11
Possession - 4.36
Nine While Nine - 4.06
Logic - 4.48
SKOS - 7.17

Japanese ( still messing with the detail... but ... to date )

Black Planet - 4.22 (different mix to old and new - dwell makes it around 4.35)
Walk Away - 3.23
No Time to Cry -
A Rock... - 3.36 (different mix to old and new )
Marian (Version) - 5.37
FALAA - 3.58
Possession - 4.36
Nine While Nine - 4.07
Logic - 4.46
SKOS - 7.16

1992 remaster

Black Planet - 4.27 (same as '85 mix but with dwell on the end)
Walk Away - 3.20
No Time to Cry - 3.54
A Rock... - 3.36
Marian (Version) - 5.37
FALAA - 3.58
Possession - 4.36
Nine While Nine - 4.07
Logic - 4.46
SKOS - 7.16


...and of course for those who are into the WEA mixes, there's a new kid on the block, Walk Away (Distance Mix) :innocent: :von:
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no, the 4 songs mentioned before are different, and as everyone says I agree, the vinyl s**t on the remastered version
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Hmmmm - this goes a certain way towards explaining things: http://myheartland.co.uk/gallery/detail ... age_id=188

Unfortunately, the plans to "put it right" resulted in another cock up!!!
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mh wrote:Hmmmm - this goes a certain way towards explaining things: http://myheartland.co.uk/gallery/detail ... age_id=188

Unfortunately, the plans to "put it right" resulted in another cock up!!!
"As soon as possible" is another good one. Must be different timescales on Planet Von.
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paint it black wrote: Original Version

Cassette, LP, Gatefold LP, Cd longbox version, picture disk
So there is a longbox (US, I presume) version of the CD which contains the original (Vinyl) mixes???

I think this is what a lot of people are trying to find out: Do the original mixes exist on CD.

Could you confirm. Cheers
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