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Thanks Mugabe. It was the "me" before "her" that caused my uncertainty.

Ich bin auch ein Grammatikführer.
Donnerwetter!

IZ.

I am appalled at this. Its unbeleivable! after ive tryed to be grammatically incorrect...I am finally outed.

You are the grammar Fuhrer. All bow to your authority. You will crush all the inferior people under the soles of your jackboots, and any who question your motives will be eliminated. Your punishment is being the bane of every other person's existence, because you're constantly contradicting stupidity. Everyone will be gunning for you. Your dreams of a master race of spellers and grammarians frighten the masses. You must always watch your back. If only your power could be used for good instead of evil.

Not exactly hard though, is it?

Still, I've always rated readability more highly than grammatical precision. But that's just me.

its a good thing that, in spoken language, everything is linguistically correct if the listener understands what you are trying to communicate.

If you get 5 out of 11 right, you're a grammar nazi. Below 5, you're probably American.

Black Planet wrote:

I am appalled at this. Its unbeleivable! after ive tryed to be grammatically incorrect...I am finally outed.

You are the grammar Fuhrer. All bow to your authority. You will crush all the inferior people under the soles of your jackboots, and any who question your motives will be eliminated. Your punishment is being the bane of every other person's existence, because you're constantly contradicting stupidity. Everyone will be gunning for you. Your dreams of a master race of spellers and grammarians frighten the masses. You must always watch your back. If only your power could be used for good instead of evil.

Skollob! not you BP of course

mugabe wrote:If you get 5 out of 11 right, you're a grammar nazi. Below 5, you're probably American.

*Cough* Ummm...mugabe? *I* got them all correct, and I happen to be American. I guess wonders will never cease, eh?

Can we get rid of the Nazi nonsense - find it ever so slightly distasteful.

Thanks.

can we get rid of the humourless tone - find it ever so slightly irritating.

thanks

"You are a grammar Grunt. You will be thrown in the oven once all the grammar failures have been thrown in. The only thing worse than no knowledge is a little, so you must watch the failures as they suffer, and you must wait patiently for your turn".

OK, I cheated and pretended I was American.

If we're all grammar Nazi's, what's the excuse for the typos and rubbish that appears on here? My top tip is to actually look at your monitor when typing.

Johnny Boy wrote:Nazi's

http://www.angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif

Say,

RicheyJames wrote:can we get rid of the humourless tone - find it ever so slightly irritating.

I never found Nazis or any reference to them in a supposed 'humourful' context amusing. Maybe it is the cultural context I was brought up in. I expected some understanding of this on these boards certainly considering the outspoken way Andrew has put this across himself.

markfiend wrote:

Johnny Boy wrote:Nazi's

http://www.angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif

Glad to see someone's paying attention. And not trying to pick a fight. Which seems to be the general monday blues thang on here today.

I would never try to pick a fight with anyone. I'm too much of a coward

Karst wrote:I never found Nazis or any reference to them in a supposed 'humourful' context amusing. Maybe it is the cultural context I was brought up in. I expected some understanding of this on these boards certainly considering the outspoken way Andrew has put this across himself.

oh, do lighten up. nobody's praising the nazis, their deeds or their ideals. the item in question is merely a humourous reaction to those who describe myself, and others of my ilk, as pedants for actually caring about the way our language is used. if you feel that that is inappropriate then you're entitled to look away.

personally i believe that there should be no taboos in comedy and judging by the recent reaction to jokes about paedophilia and amputation i don't think i'm entirely alone...

markfiend wrote:I would never try to pick a fight with anyone. I'm too much of a coward

If you did, I'd be there to back you up. Ok, standing about 3 miles behind you but it's the thought that counts.

RicheyJames wrote:oh, do lighten up.

Sorry, I simply find it quite inappropriate. Certainly as it is Holocaust Memorial Day tomorrow. http://www.holocaustmemorialday.gov.uk

RicheyJames wrote: nobody's praising the nazis, their deeds or their ideals.

I'm not saying you do - and I don't think that anybody in right mind in these boards do. I do understand that it is done in a humourous context involving yours and others attitude towards spelling. But you might consider that putting up an image of Adolf Hitler ath the top of a tread might be offensive to some people.

RicheyJames wrote: if you feel that that is inappropriate then you're entitled to look away.

That really is an invalid argument considering something like this is posted on a public forum.

RicheyJames wrote: personally i believe that there should be no taboos in comedy and judging by the recent reaction to jokes about i don't think i'm entirely alone.

I'm sure the terms and conditions of these boards indicate what the limits are to this. I personally never visit the Joke forum.

Karst wrote:Sorry, I simply find it quite inappropriate. Certainly as it is Holocaust Memorial Day tomorrow. http://www.holocaustmemorialday.gov.uk

well i truly am sorry. it was never my intention to cause offence. although i don't see why the proximity to any particular date should make something more or less offensive...

Karst wrote:But you might consider that putting up an image of Adolf Hitler at the top of a thread might be offensive to some people.

again, it was not my intention to cause offence to anyone. but i still stand by everything i have posted. both on this thread and elsewhere on the baord. and i really am amazed that you find a simple image quite so staggeringly offensive. it's precisely this sort of demonisation of the nazis which allows them to retain their power to offend. treat them to the full glare of publicity and their ideas are more easily shown up for the half-baked rantings that they are. even better, ridicule them in any way possible. i suggest you try to track down a copy of the great dictator.

RicheyJames wrote: if you feel that that is inappropriate then you're entitled to look away.

Karst wrote:That really is an invalid argument considering something like this is posted on a public forum.

now that's just patently ridiculous. so nothing that could in any way offend anyone should be allowed in the public domain? and who do you suggest we appoint as the arbiter of what is and is not offensive? i maintain that if you find the subject so distasteful there is no need to read this particular thread. and while we're about it; is it not more offensive to title a thread "Mass killings and eugenics are a good thing"?

Karst wrote:I'm sure the terms and conditions of these boards indicate what the limits are to this.

hmm.. i don't recall. it's an awful long time since i signed-up to this forum and if i'm honest i didn't really read the t&c when i did. did you? ultimately, it's quiffy's site so it's up to him where to draw the line. as far as i recall he's only felt it necessary to do so previously in cases of overt racism and unnecessary personal abuse.

Karst wrote:I personally never visit the Joke forum.

you really should. occasionally it's actually quite amusing.

Say,

RicheyJames wrote:well i truly am sorry. it was never my intention to cause offence.

No worries. I suppose it is down to a different sense of humour. Let's leave it at that.

Have a good day.

SINsister wrote:

mugabe wrote:If you get 5 out of 11 right, you're a grammar nazi. Below 5, you're probably American.

*Cough* Ummm...mugabe? *I* got them all correct, and I happen to be American. I guess wonders will never cease, eh?

You don't get many points for logic, though.

After all this, I believe Mr James has raised an important issue:

RicheyJames wrote:...those who describe myself, and others of my ilk, as pedants for actually caring about the way our language is used...

As this forum (and much of the Internet) is conducted in written language, surely it is an aid to communication to attempt to use the language in a proper manner? While deliberate ambiguity is the goal some seek from their writings ( ) on a forum such as this, it is surely best that the ideas of a member are communicated in as clear a way as possible. Such clarity is improved by correct use of grammar, spelling and punctuation, whereas mistakes can only lead to confusion.

Furthermore, English has one of the largest vocabularies of any language, and when I see it reduced to the likes of "OMG ur well g0fFik innnit !!!11!1!" I want to scream. (I hasten to add that this sort of text-speak is seldom seen on the Heartland forum, unless used for comedic effect.) That the language of Shakespeare, Milton, and Blake can be reduced to this is surely a matter for shame for all native English speakers.

Lastly, I am amazed at the fluency with which many non-native speakers of English use the language, frequently doing so more correctly than many, or even most natives. I do have some proficiency with some other languages, but I know that I would be simply incapable of following the kinds of discussions that we have here in any language other than English.

mugabe wrote:

SINsister wrote:

mugabe wrote:If you get 5 out of 11 right, you're a grammar nazi. Below 5, you're probably American.

*Cough* Ummm...mugabe? *I* got them all correct, and I happen to be American. I guess wonders will never cease, eh?

You don't get many points for logic, though.

mugabe, I regularly have fits over your avatars--thanks.

markfiend wrote:After all this, I believe Mr James has raised an important issue:

RicheyJames wrote:...those who describe myself, and others of my ilk, as pedants for actually caring about the way our language is used...

As this forum (and much of the Internet) is conducted in written language, surely it is an aid to communication to attempt to use the language in a proper manner? While deliberate ambiguity is the goal some seek from their writings ( ) on a forum such as this, it is surely best that the ideas of a member are communicated in as clear a way as possible. Such clarity is improved by correct use of grammar, spelling and punctuation, whereas mistakes can only lead to confusion.

Furthermore, English has one of the largest vocabularies of any language, and when I see it reduced to the likes of "OMG ur well g0fFik innnit !!!11!1!" I want to scream. (I hasten to add that this sort of text-speak is seldom seen on the Heartland forum, unless used for comedic effect.) That the language of Shakespeare, Milton, and Blake can be reduced to this is surely a matter for shame for all native English speakers.

Lastly, I am amazed at the fluency with which many non-native speakers of English use the language, frequently doing so more correctly than many, or even most natives. I do have some proficiency with some other languages, but I know that I would be simply incapable of following the kinds of discussions that we have here in any language other than English.

Very well said, mf. I agree completely.

Red Sunsets wrote:Can I just add - Sisters Gegen Nazis.

How right you are Mr Blast! I'm rather uncomfortable about being branded a Nazi just because I can spell and punctuate. It implies that those who can't are somehow better, nicer people. I don't think this is a moral issue myself.